International Workshop Agreement on Sustainable Non-Sewered Systems Guides Standards Development for "Next-Generation Toilets"

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Dear BGOODBAUM,

This seems very important. Thanks for posting it, but why do you not simply post the draft document? The iso.org link does not lead to such document.

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Fully agree with Chris. I believe participants were sponsored by Gates. Why not invest a small fraction more by making the outcome document available to all?

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Dear BGOODBAUM,
Thank you for posting the valuable information. The work of IWA ISO,ANSI is telling the world that normal flush toilet is not the only one solution of sanitation in China.
FIY. I am very sad that one city of China is planning to spend 20 billion RMB to clean two small rivers.
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Re: International Workshop Agreement on Sustainable Non-Sewered Systems Guides Standards Development for "Next-Generation Toilets

This is a direct link to the abstract:

www.iso.org/obp/ui/#iso:std:iso:iwa:24:ed-1:v1:en

But a word of warning... the website is almost impossible to use on slow internet connections.

P.S.: I thought all works supported by the Gates foundation would be open-access in the future?

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Re: International Workshop Agreement on Sustainable Non-Sewered Systems Guides Standards Development for "Next-Generation Toilets

extract from the SCOPE of the document:

This document is applicable to sanitation systems containing both frontend and backend components that are either manufactured as one package or designed to be integrated as a set of pre-fabricated elements to be assembled in one location without the use of any additional engineering and/or civil engineering structures. This document also applies to individual pre-fabricated backend components that are designed to be integrated with one or more specified frontends that meet relevant national and/or international standards without demanding any additional engineering and/or civil engineering structures. This document is not applicable to sanitation systems constructed in-situ.

I wonder whether this document will be applicable in Africa in the foreseeable future. Unless of course, if BMGF manages to develop and market a 'Reinvented toilet' as successfully as MS Windows.

... and the document is not posted here because ISO/IWA sells it at 195 CHF.

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JKMakowka;
Thank you for giving me this linkage.
I can take adavatage of this standard to convice our policy makers that normal flush toilets are not a good symbol of western mordern living style.
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Re: International Workshop Agreement on Sustainable Non-Sewered Systems Guides Standards Development for "Next-Generation Toilets

Sorry to hear the conditions for the standard and the unavailability of the draft. A draft should be feely available for inputs and comments before it is finalised, thereafter the standard institutions may charge for it. But in this case it should be very low cost.

Perhaps we need a parallel standard for systems constructed on-site. I do not think this will be too difficult, and may be useful to a number of practitioners and decision makers in Africa and Asia?
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BORDA is currently working with Tanzanian Bureau of Standards (TBS) to develop technical standards and national guidelines for decentralised sanitation systems. This ISO document would be extremely useful for this process - shame it will cost 190euros, as I doubt TBS has a such a budget.

We would be happy to hear of any updates on this document being made available at a lower cost for practitioners and decision makers in low-income countries.
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Ian:
I fully agree with you that there should be a parallel standard for systems on-site.
Bill Gates toilet revoltion is bringing us to a expensive and sophiscated way of handling the human waste. Toilet is a toilet , not a system.
Asia and Africa can not afford to wait for Gates' next generation toilet.
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It is as expensive as the toilet supported by Gates' money.

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Dear Scottchen, Can you please elaborate more? Which toilet did you buy that is expensive?
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Dear LAura,
We are looking at possible solution to make this available. The current version is a normative document that can be used as guidelines. ISO has their own rules to fix their price. We will let you know when this document can be made available. Great to see your work with TBS. They may wat to join the meeting in October as participating countries.

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