Dear Petra,
Thank you so much for the information on CLTS,
Here things are really so nice in documents but its totaly different in field.
I never saw any part, any village any place 100% ODF.
whom ever work on ODF, I can proof it in there own area that will not ODF.
I not agree with it.
but
There is a specific age and gender, if we will focus on them then there is more and more chance that the village will become ODF.
Thank you

Regards
Khan

Dear all, just to let you know that the final report from the East Asia and Pacific review is now available online here www.communityledtotalsanitation.org/reso...ssons-and-directions

Best wishes,
Petra

Thanks Andy for the clarification and quick response... dear all, I will upload the final version once it's available. Watch this space

Best wishes,
Petra

Dear Khan, please have a look at the CLTS Handbook www.communityledtotalsanitation.org/reso...led-total-sanitation and other resources on the CLTS website www.communityledtotalsanitation.org. There is no particular age group for CLTS- it is a community-wide approach which means everyone gets on board, young and old.
For your second question, have a look at the CLTS handbook and the following resource on favourable and unfavourable conditions for CLTS> www.communityledtotalsanitation.org/reso...led-total-sanitation
You might also like to talk to Shah Nasir Khisro This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. of IRSP Mardan, Pakistan who can share specific experiences and knowledge on CLTS in Pakistan with you.

Hope this helps,

Petra

Dear All,

who would like to let me know:
1. What age of people we can focus in CLTS? and Why?
2. Where CLTS can be success and in which kind/type of communities?

The final copy editing for publication of the regional review of CLTS in East Asia & the Pacific is underway, and we hope that the review will be released by UNICEF in the next week or so ... until then, it will be unavailable (the previous version on the CLTS website was a draft version for peer review)!

Dear all, I will send the fixed link in due course - I just saw that the problem is that it must have got lost in the transition from the old to the new website at the end of last year. So will now locate the review and repost it. Please bear with me. I also wanted to point to Kamal's paper 'Digging in...' but see he already mentioned it above.

As for some of the other comments above, I have invited CLTS practitioners from NGOs and governments to respond.

Best wishes, and apologies for the broken link.
Petra

Hi Cecilia,

Yes, (as Mr. Brachken has pointed out), the link does not seem to work. It says some "Error 404: Sorry, the page you are trying to view cannot be found." Can you please check?

Thanks,

Ananya

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Note by moderator (EvM): I have already e-mailed Petra Bongartz about this and she is onto it. She wrote back: Hi Elisabeth, I will check it out and fix it. And can also suggest another relevant resource on the Forum.

Best wishes,

Petra

Hi Cecilia - the link doesn't seem to be working

Dear all,

The last newsletter from CLTS Foundation brings the findings of the regional review of CLTS in the East Asia and Pacific region carried out by Andy Robinson on behalf of UNICEF, WaterAid Australia, Plan and WSP-EAP. Here is the link for the presentation:

www.communityledtotalsanitation.org/site...ew_Andy_Robinson.pdf

Hope it will bring some more inputs for the discussion.

Best regards,
Cecília.

Dear all,
This is a discussion that I have been following in the hope of reading something that may enlighten me further. I know of the theory and philosophy behind CLTS and on paper it certainly does seem to be very empowering and simply serves to facilitate and help communities kick-start their own sanitation processes. I have no experience at all with CLTS in Asia, but am aware of CLTS as it has been “rolled-out” in some African countries, and of the contradictions between this up-scaled, roll-out of CLTS and the community insider’s programme it is often presented as being.

I am not questioning here the effectiveness of CLTS in an African context (although an early comparative study from WaterAid looking at Nigeria, Nepal and Bangladesh and anecdotal evidence from Benin do raise questions on how long-lasting the results after triggering really are). Instead I’d like to just point out the nature of this roll-out, which may itself undermine the chances for a large-scale, lasting impact in reducing OD in Sub-Saharan Africa.

Rather than being a “spontaneous spread”, I would suggest that the inclusion of CLTS in national sanitation strategies is not so much a result of the success of the approach on the ground but a combination of major donor pressure (UNICEF in particular are huge promoters of CLTS, and according to their web-site are supporting CLTS interventions in 29 of the 55 or so countries in Africa) and the extremely attractive - from a government and funders perspective - “no subsidy” approach.

The sanitation sector is notoriously underfunded in Sub-Saharan Africa and most governments are at a loss as to how to deal with it, so if a major donor or group of donors do make money available to improve national strategies etc. then these donors do have an inordinately large influence on the content of that strategy. If a major donor is promoting CLTS across the continent, then this is what they want to see in the national strategies. And this is what we do see. The budgets required are generally to cover the whole “facilitating” process, and not the infrastructure itself, which from a government perspective is a nice little get out clause - “we only help the people realise what’s going on - what happens next is up to them”.

The upshot of all this is that we have centrally trained facilitators, spreading an approach from the centre out (or top down if you want to look at it like that) trying to instigate what Kamal Kar says should be a community insider’s programme. In my opinion this could become very messy and it is a very, very fine line indeed between an empowering community led analysis of the walk of shame in a village and a humiliating one led from the outside as part of the national strategy. Added to this, is the time pressure government departments and services will have (due to funders budget lines) and the elegant, patient open ended facilitation that may be needed just will not happen. Results will have to be achieved come what may.

This is further complicated by the “no technology promotion” mantra - which in itself may seem sensible, but in the absence of local technical competence simply leaves communities hanging in the unknown - or rather, shitting into a hole. How many holes will be filled with shit before communities and households have access to appropriate support and sanitation choices?

All that simply on the initial “roll-out” of CLTS. Now as we know, CLTS is only a means to an end, and that end is stopping OD and getting households on to any rung of the sanitation ladder - the question of “what next?” is still a huge unknown.

So in conclusion I’d just like to summarise by saying that in my experience, contrary to its very philosophy of being a community based programme, CLTS in Africa is often donor driven through central government, on a relatively tight time schedule, offering no technological support to poor households other than dig a hole. It’s a short term solution that is better than OD, I’m sure, but how long can the implementation of the approach in this form be expected to last?

All the best,
Patrick

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In Pakistan, there may be some localized approach in sanitation, linking it roughly to CLTS. There is no formal CLTS initiative in Pakistan, officially launched by the government or by some major agency. If I can read Kamal's mind correctly, he is, probably, referring to a full-scale, formal CLTS initiative in Pakistan.

F H Mughal
Karachi, Pakistan