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How long do pit emptying pumps last?
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Dear Rémi,
Thanks for bringing this question to our attention. It looks like nobody on this forum had an answer at hand at the time.
I see that on Knowledge Point some good answers have been gathered, so let me copy them across for archiving purposes (Rémi, are you making good experiences with Knowledge Point? When would you use one versus the other? Might be useful to open a new thread on that.)
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by Rémi Kaupp | WaterAid | Jan 16 '15
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I think this question should be opened to people beyond WaterAid to help! I don't think there is an established lifespan for the current alternative pumps like the Gulper and so on, mostly because they are so recent. Such simple mechanisms can go on for ages but then you replace the parts that fail as you go along, until all parts have been replaced at least once... for example with the Gulper you would expect frequent repairs of the bottom valve and, depending on the quality of local welding, of connections between welded parts.
For budget planning purposes, with large items like trucks you factor in depreciation costs, but for small pumps like the Gulper it is easier and more realistic to put in annual maintenance costs (frequently 20% of the purchase value per year).
For more complex systems, well the Vacutug has been going on for more than 10 years in some places so 10 years could be put in, although with high maintenance costs (as spare parts often come from far). The MAPET hasn't worked for long enough to my knowledge to assess the lifespan (happy to be contradicted on that!). And large vacuum tankers, if well maintained, can last well over 30 years, and Africa is full of tankers well over that age!
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by Mordecai Musonge | Jan 16 '15
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Well like Remi said above, the gulper is a simple mechanism that is doing great in urban settings. It can do what trucks can do save for the manual usage establishment. I am a proud gulprenuer that has only been in business since late September but the only time of service has been on the valve which was done free. Haven't had issues worth disposing it. I hope to see how much longer it will work.
P.S. I am using the Gulper 1.
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Thank you - it will be interesting to see what maintenance costs amount to, for example as @bones49 says earlier if it is within 10% of purchase costs per year...
Rémi Kaupp (Jan 19 '15)
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Thank you. It is especially useful to hear from users as I work as a fundraiser in the UK and don't often have this opportunity. It would be good to hear your answer to Remi's question re maintenance costs and where you are based.
Michelle Stein (Jan 30 '15)
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Sorry for the delayed response. I am based in Uganda and working towards moving to South Sudan on the same venture as early as this month. I am yet to pay a penny on maintenance costs on the use of the gulper. I usually make sure the operator gets a good feel of what they are going to use, that way they can be as practical as possible. I have been using Uganda as a proof of concept phase while bringing in some revenue now it's time to pass on the knowledge. I used to only be about Information Technology but I can comfortably add sanitation now, clean business clean wage!
Mordecai Musonge (Feb 10 '15)
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by bones49 | Jan 17 '15
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Are you looking for a practical answer or a theoretical answer. From an asset management point of view, the economic life span of mechanical components should be 15 years - with probably 10% maintenance cost per year.
In a developing country context, I would say that if your equipment is not local, then this should still apply (albeit with a higher maintenance cost - potentially), and if it is locally made, then perhaps 5-10 years, depending on the quality of the local workmanship and materials. But on the other hand, people can be very good at making things last a lot longer than the theoretic economic life.
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Thank you, the donor was looking for a practical answer so this is useful.
Michelle Stein (Jan 30 '15)
Thanks for bringing this question to our attention. It looks like nobody on this forum had an answer at hand at the time.
I see that on Knowledge Point some good answers have been gathered, so let me copy them across for archiving purposes (Rémi, are you making good experiences with Knowledge Point? When would you use one versus the other? Might be useful to open a new thread on that.)
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by Rémi Kaupp | WaterAid | Jan 16 '15
liked by 4 Like
I think this question should be opened to people beyond WaterAid to help! I don't think there is an established lifespan for the current alternative pumps like the Gulper and so on, mostly because they are so recent. Such simple mechanisms can go on for ages but then you replace the parts that fail as you go along, until all parts have been replaced at least once... for example with the Gulper you would expect frequent repairs of the bottom valve and, depending on the quality of local welding, of connections between welded parts.
For budget planning purposes, with large items like trucks you factor in depreciation costs, but for small pumps like the Gulper it is easier and more realistic to put in annual maintenance costs (frequently 20% of the purchase value per year).
For more complex systems, well the Vacutug has been going on for more than 10 years in some places so 10 years could be put in, although with high maintenance costs (as spare parts often come from far). The MAPET hasn't worked for long enough to my knowledge to assess the lifespan (happy to be contradicted on that!). And large vacuum tankers, if well maintained, can last well over 30 years, and Africa is full of tankers well over that age!
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by Mordecai Musonge | Jan 16 '15
liked by 3 Like
Well like Remi said above, the gulper is a simple mechanism that is doing great in urban settings. It can do what trucks can do save for the manual usage establishment. I am a proud gulprenuer that has only been in business since late September but the only time of service has been on the valve which was done free. Haven't had issues worth disposing it. I hope to see how much longer it will work.
P.S. I am using the Gulper 1.
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Thank you - it will be interesting to see what maintenance costs amount to, for example as @bones49 says earlier if it is within 10% of purchase costs per year...
Rémi Kaupp (Jan 19 '15)
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Thank you. It is especially useful to hear from users as I work as a fundraiser in the UK and don't often have this opportunity. It would be good to hear your answer to Remi's question re maintenance costs and where you are based.
Michelle Stein (Jan 30 '15)
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Sorry for the delayed response. I am based in Uganda and working towards moving to South Sudan on the same venture as early as this month. I am yet to pay a penny on maintenance costs on the use of the gulper. I usually make sure the operator gets a good feel of what they are going to use, that way they can be as practical as possible. I have been using Uganda as a proof of concept phase while bringing in some revenue now it's time to pass on the knowledge. I used to only be about Information Technology but I can comfortably add sanitation now, clean business clean wage!
Mordecai Musonge (Feb 10 '15)
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by bones49 | Jan 17 '15
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Are you looking for a practical answer or a theoretical answer. From an asset management point of view, the economic life span of mechanical components should be 15 years - with probably 10% maintenance cost per year.
In a developing country context, I would say that if your equipment is not local, then this should still apply (albeit with a higher maintenance cost - potentially), and if it is locally made, then perhaps 5-10 years, depending on the quality of the local workmanship and materials. But on the other hand, people can be very good at making things last a lot longer than the theoretic economic life.
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Thank you, the donor was looking for a practical answer so this is useful.
Michelle Stein (Jan 30 '15)
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Hello,
A good question has been asked on KnowledgePoint: How long do pit emptying pumping systems (from gulper to larger systems) actually last? Would be useful to know when preparing the business model for a sanitation entrepreneur (depreciation, replacement cost...)
It's on knowledgepoint.org/en/questions/2250/fae...n-in-urban-settings/ but of course feel free to answer here!
Thanks,
Rémi
A good question has been asked on KnowledgePoint: How long do pit emptying pumping systems (from gulper to larger systems) actually last? Would be useful to know when preparing the business model for a sanitation entrepreneur (depreciation, replacement cost...)
It's on knowledgepoint.org/en/questions/2250/fae...n-in-urban-settings/ but of course feel free to answer here!
Thanks,
Rémi
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