Dear Rob and Erich,

Thanks for your opinions. I do agree with you that more needs to be done on ground in creating an enabling environment for private sector initiatives to foster the concepts of sustainable sanitation. But like Erich rightly pointed out there are limitations to what SuSanA as a loose network can do. SuSanA positions itself as a catalyst from commitment to action. It aims at providing a platform for all participating organisations to share their knowledge and expertise. In other words it is a think tank. It is not an organisation nor does it have funds to support projects. Many foresee SuSanA to get involved in individual projects but thats unrealistic as long as it is an informal network where members offer their free time to work with it.

Do reports, documents, studies help? well, in my opinion it is a cycle. If there is a project and if it is not well documented it does not generate much of knowledge and a case study without a project means there is nothing there to study. There are a lot of projects out there which have gone undocumented and not known to anyone. There are a few large scale projects documented within SuSanA like the EU ecosan program in Burkina Faso, Ethekwini from South Africa etc and surely there is need for more. A lot of capacity building, training and effort to attract private enterprises has been made in these projects.

Assuming SuSanA's role as a catalyst we can therefore influnce the cycle through knowledge exchange. Challenging its role would be a part of the large discussion of SuSanA itself. So we need to keep focus on the aims of the working group i.e sanitation in context of renewable energies and climate change.

In our fact sheet we talk about the potential of energy generation through biogas technology and possibilities to adapt to climate change. However in many examples from Biogas installations the energy generated from wastewater from households is pretty low and demotivating to the owners or community. On the other hand a lot of treatment plants in Germany for example have biogasplants that supplement the energy consumption for the treatment plants and function succesfully.

Is there a gap in technology transfer of biogas systems from succesful bio gas plants installations in developed countries to those in the developing countries or is it a gap in expectations from a biogas plant? are biogas plants anymore recommendable in decentralised solutions for individual households or even a community? are there succesful examples to your knowledge?

Is there a potential of Biochar in reducing the climate change impact? (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biochar)

Are there are any other ways of adaptating to climate change using sanitation?

Hope to hear from you!

best regards

Rahul

Dear All,

Rob’s got a point, to a point (to coin a phrase...). Such projects, as opposed to case studies and pilot plants will firstly have a much greater impact as far as creating public and professional awareness is concerned, and secondly should be able to “generate” knowledge, especially if unskilled labour or even specialist companies (both local, of course) can be drawn in and walk away trained. This will obviously not only help create a new fraternity of relevant specialists but also – in the long-term – benefit the environment etc.

So far so good.

Yet I don’t see at the moment how SuSanA could be pulling such a stunt. I mean: this is a bunch of extremely active and enthusiastic scientists/engineers/nutcases but most are attending to real jobs in real lives as well. How could a multi-million project involving exact and long-term planning be conducted by such a loose agglomeration? Mind you: I hate throwing spokes into wheels, yet I so far cannot answer the question how that should come about.

But I’m extremely eager to learn...

Kind Regards,
Mit freundlichen Grüssen,
Erich C. Schmollgruber, CEO
Finuk CC t/a Wettech SA
40 Textile Street, Paarl 7620, Western Cape, South Africa
Web: www.wettech-sa.com

From: E-Systems
Sent: 2011 May 04 09:27 PM
To: Ingle, Rahul GIZ
Subject: Re: [Wg3] FW: SuSanA WG3 Mailing List / next SuSanA Meeting

Rahul

Thanks -to amplify this further. There are lots of examples of pieces of the puzzle. But integrated systems - biogas with reedbed or fish based systems that might also create recreational or park areas, larger scale dry or urine seperation toilets at a neighborhood income producing scale, either linked with eco-housing schemes or even supermarkets which produce lots of organic wastes etc. But not studies - larger scale demo projects where GIZ and other donor funds are put together either to invest and monitor, or perhaps act as loan guarantees for more private sector initiatives. Eventually you want to start businesses to stimulate this - to provide services to slum upgrades or municipal housing projects or large commercial buildings.

But please no more studies, less knowledge exchange and more knowledge generation - fewer conferences. Facts on the ground that build things, and companies to employ especially unskilled or low skilled labour and help them earn and learn, and new design firms that can work with developers and city governments, etc.


Rob Lichtman, Director
e-SYSTEMS
Roerstraat 54
1078 LR Amsterdam
The Netherlands
WEBSITE: www.esysfound.org

From: "Ingle, Rahul GIZ"
To: "wg3"
Sent: Wednesday, May 4, 2011 6:09:52 PM
Subject: [Wg3] FW: SuSanA WG3 Mailing List / next SuSanA Meeting
Dear All,

@ Rob- Thanks for your email. I am forwarding your email to the entire group so we could discuss it together. To send an email to the group please click on ‘reply to all’.

I agree with Rob that we should focus on knowledge exchange from different demonstration projects. But this effort has already been initiated by SuSanA through its case studies. There are a couple of case studies on the topics mentioned by Rob. See the links below.

Case studies on projects on biogas/DEWATS system: www.susana.org/lang-en/case-studies?vbls...=27&showby=updateasc
South africa case: www.susana.org/lang-en/case-studies?show...esc&search=ethekwini

Surely more information on projects related to the topic of our working group is required and members are welcome to share their project experiences through SuSanA case study format (www.susana.org/images/documents/06-case-...cs-template-2011.doc).

But what next? How do can we put all these experiences together ?

Hope to hear from the group…

Regards

Rahul

From: E-Systems
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 8:41 AM
To: Ingle, Rahul GIZ
Subject: Re: [Wg3] SuSanA WG3 Mailing List / next SuSanA Meeting

Dear Mr. Rahul,

Thanks for this. I read the old terms of reference document.
I think the work proposed needs radical rethinking. It is the same old tired UNese blah blah.
Studies and ideas and brochures that no one will read, that is based upon no coherent idea of innovation and social change.

What I would propose is a series of demonstration projects - linked closely with small businesses, housing developers, progressive municipal governments, and community groups that are designed to test new ideas in the field and lead to sustainable solutions and even small businesses. You yourself must know of such things e.g. the network of dry toilets near Durban South Africa, or Sulabh´s work in India, etc., some interesting stories I´ve heard about biogas digesters made from water storage tanks in Cairo. There are many others.

What we need is to get these ideas to pay for themselves, to be deeply integrated into housing and building design, and into municipal infrastructure planning. It needs to be done in a serious professional way. A focussed set of carefully monitored and financed demonstration projects, in strategically chosen areas, done in a way to build long term engineering and financing capacity.

How to do it and how to pay for it - should be the question.


Rob Lichtman, Director
e-SYSTEMS
Roerstraat 54
1078 LR Amsterdam
The Netherlands
WEBSITE: www.esysfound.org

message sent by Rahul Ingle to WG3 on 29th April 2011

Dear members of the SuSanA working group Sanitation, renewable energies and climate change,
This is to officially introduce you to the new mailing list of the SuSanA working group 3 (sanitation, renewable energies and climate change susana.org/index.php/lang-en/working-groups/wg03 ). The mailing list has been created to help facilitate the communication among working group members and to offer a convenient and easy-to-use forum for future discussions.
From now on all relevant future communication within the group can be done by simply posting to the following email address: This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.. In my capacity as the working group lead I will be responsible to approve the emails to avoid spam and irrelevant emails to avoid clogging of inbox.
Allow me to take this opportunity to introduce myself. I am Rahul Ingle, working for the GIZ (Deutsche Gesellschaft für Internationale Zusammenarbeit) in Sustainable sanitation – Ecosan program in Eschborn for the more than two and half years. I am an Architect (B.Arch) and Infrastructure planner (M.Sc Infra), and have worked for 4.5 years in Architecture and Project management prior to joining GIZ. In the past two years I have been coordinating the SuSanA working group on ‘Sanitation, cities and planning’ and we have come up with the book publication on ‘Sustainable Sanitation in Cities: a framework for action’ susana.org/lang-en/library?view=ccbktypeitem&type=2&id=1019 . I am looking forward to working closely with you and hope to see your active participation in the our working group.

SuSanA working group 3 Factsheet: what next?
The terms of reference prepared for our working group (www.susana.org/lang-en/library/rm-susana...peitem&type=2&id=547) indicates the following proposed activities for the working group: to prepare
• Factsheet
• comprehensive major brochure
• collection of case studies
• Practical guide for farmers (reuse of wastewater and sludge for biomass production)
• practical guide for users (e.g. biogas for households)
We have so far produced a factsheet. What would be our next steps? Any suggestions?

Looking forward to hearing from you...

Best regards

Rahul

Prior to the 13th SuSanA meeting in mid july I had circulated an email questioning the next steps for the Working group on renewable energies and climate change. I have introduced the topic again here and added a few responses which were received to take the discussion further.

Best regards

Rahul