Bidet as female urinal? (in Ukraine)

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Hi Elisabeth!

I am not sure if really public toilets with many random users are the best places to install bidet as urinals.
It works at my home as unisex urinal however my wife says that women sometimes get spatters on themselves. We flush it with a cup of water after use. I would replace it with real unisex urinal if could get one here.

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Hi Bogdan,

How did you go with your idea of using a bidet as a female urinal at your public toilet facility in the Ukraine? Just curious.

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Re: Bidet as female urinal?

Dear Bogdan,
"your" Made in Ukraine porcelain looks much nicer :)
Please let us know about your "trail & error" later on, maybe with some photos too.
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Re: Bidet as female urinal?

Thank you Detlef!

Well, I came across this offer. Now comes comparison. I can buy a porcelain Ukrainian made bidet for 40 EUR or plastic insert for 70-112 EUR . The common sense tells me bidet would be a better choise. Have asked several girls so far and basically they don't mind about peeing in bidet.

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Re: Bidet as female urinal?

Hello Bogdan,

If you do not like the idea of using a squat plate have you thought of using a UDS insert like the one shown to collect the urine separate from any solids. It is accepted for use in the UK among other countries so isn't viewed as to backwards.

Collection for solids can be done in waste bin then taken else where to be dried, disposed of or composted.

There are a few different versions available around Europe, not sure if there is a supplier in Ukraine but may be it is an idea for you.
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Thank you Detlef!

Very interesting pictures
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you may go for en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_and_error
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AquaVerde wrote: Dear Bogdan,

Maybe this separation (sitting) example from Auroville India could help: forum.susana.org/forum/categories/35-bio...planted-filters#5986


Thanks Detlef!

Unfortunately I can't see properly the picture on the link you mentioned. It looks like all in strips. Is it only my problem? But anyway I got the idea

I think if I put ordinary pedesatal toilet as a female urinal people still might do not care and defecate into it since they as just qiuck by-passers will not have motivation. That's why I thought separate female urinal would be better rather
han two ordinary WC even with signs saying which one is for.

Have some doubts about squatting pan UD will be good in a public space like bus stop in Ukrainian context (mentality). People might expect something raised and porcelain al if we talking about demonstrating some "progressive" "european" "eco--bla-bla-bla". Sqaautting might associate with something backward, country, primitive. Need to imitate something fancy
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Dear Bogdan,

Maybe this separation (sitting) example from Auroville India could help: forum.susana.org/forum/categories/35-bio...planted-filters#5986

it is not too unusual for urine separation newcomers.

- on the left it is for the faeces and on the right it is for urine + washing
- very robust made and in high quality too

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Thank you Elisabeth!
Yes I am one of those ukrainian pioneers who bring sustainable approaches to our country. I really want to be clean and comfortable for people.

Yes, this urinal from Frankfurt looks great but as I said the problem is where we can buy one.

The public spaces like these are quite challenging objects. It is not like in school where you can train people to use it. But on the other hand a chance to demonstrate something and give people a thought while they make a quick pause for a pee.
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Re: Bidet as female urinal?

Thanks Krischan!



The squatting pan is also difficult to find. I even thought about using a little stainless sink inserted in the floor.

The funnels is probably not good idea since it would be too unusual.

The problem is that it is bus stop where lot's of every- time- new people (tourists) stop to see the nice mountain view (this is a mountain pass) and they never heard of urine divertion systems. I need something which is not too unusual. This is why I think it would be better to separate urine and feces receptacles in two sparetely standing units.
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