SuSanA - Forum Kunena Site Syndication http://forum.susana.org/ Thu, 19 Jan 2017 23:23:58 +0000 Kunena 1.6 http://forum.susana.org/components/com_kunena/template/default/images/icons/rss.png SuSanA - Forum http://forum.susana.org/ en-gb Quantitative and qualitative impact reporting - India - by: vpost http://forum.susana.org/component/kunena/275-faecal-sludge-management-indias-pathway-to-a-qclean-indiaq-thematic-discussion-susana-indian-chapter/20176-quantitative-and-qualitative-impact-reporting-india#20176 http://forum.susana.org/component/kunena/275-faecal-sludge-management-indias-pathway-to-a-qclean-indiaq-thematic-discussion-susana-indian-chapter/20176-quantitative-and-qualitative-impact-reporting-india#20176 This includes:
1. paper on sanitation dynamics: toilet acquisition and its economic and social implications.
2. paper on the gap between construction and usage of toilets
3. presentation on the role of sanitation in rural communities in India
4. presentation on sanitation and child health in India
5. notes from meeting on quantitative and qualitative impact reporting from FINISH (based on presentation 4. and 5.)]]>
Faecal Sludge Management - India's pathway to a "Clean India" (Thematic discussion - SuSanA Indian Chapter) Thu, 19 Jan 2017 17:17:11 +0000
Re: SuSanA’s contribution to the Agenda 2030 - WG1 position paper (final draft for comments) - by: dorothee.spuhler http://forum.susana.org/component/kunena/54-wg-1-capacity-development/19823-susanas-contribution-to-the-agenda-2030-wg1-position-paper-final-draft-for-comments#20175 http://forum.susana.org/component/kunena/54-wg-1-capacity-development/19823-susanas-contribution-to-the-agenda-2030-wg1-position-paper-final-draft-for-comments#20175
Thanks for your comments and feedback!
A few questions and comments back

1) Professional development plans / mentorship schemes
The mentorship schemes was just an idea - we were use that in cewas. I am not sure what you mean with templates? Should that be documents that potential mentors use as a guideline how to mentor?

2) Monitoring / measuring capacity development
Measuring capacity development outcomes (in long term) is a very difficult tasks which is hardly undertaken (also because of a lack of appropriate funding schemes for such activities - they are at a first view quite unsexy). IWA and CAWST have some experience and Sterenn might want to say a few words more on that. We just suggested some methods that could be used and I just thought of one more: Qualitative Comparitive Analysis (QCA) could also be applied.... Maybe we could start with a some student studies (e.g. Master thesis etc.) to look at the applicability of such methods to monitoring capacity development by case study assessment?

3) Research idea questions for students
Great idea: we are thinking of a revamp of the capacity development section and this could be easily implemented. We will invite WG members to help us for the design of the section and please remember us of that idea!

Cheers, Dorothee]]>
WG 1 (Capacity development) Thu, 19 Jan 2017 16:32:09 +0000
Re: Phase 3: Supporting sustainable sanitation through knowledge management and collaborative action within SuSanA - by: F H Mughal http://forum.susana.org/component/kunena/10-announcements-regarding-susana/19454-sustainable-sanitation-alliance-receives-grant-of-27-million-to-further-develop-its-global-knowledge-platform?limit=12&start=12#20174 http://forum.susana.org/component/kunena/10-announcements-regarding-susana/19454-sustainable-sanitation-alliance-receives-grant-of-27-million-to-further-develop-its-global-knowledge-platform?limit=12&start=12#20174
It is the internet itself. At the moment, I don't see any plan of improvement.

With workshops, what I had in my mind was to learn from the experiences of other participants. As is normally the case, I expect presentations from the resourced persons.

Why Susana HQ - because that might entails some cost savings.

Elsewhere, you mentioned about the event in India. As you probably know from the newspapers, it is not conducive for us to go there. About a year back, a institution in US offered me funding to attend a event in India. I sent them my passport copy; they sent it to their Indian counterpart for visa. I never got the visa.

Just curious - May I ask, why the event in India? Why not in some other area - Bangladesh, SL, AIT, Manila (ADB)?

Regards,
F H Mughal]]>
Announcements regarding SuSanA Thu, 19 Jan 2017 15:59:52 +0000
Re: Getting the bigger picture - Creating sanitation systems for whole cities. City-wide planning and the role of FSM in the case of India - by: dirkwalther http://forum.susana.org/component/kunena/275-faecal-sludge-management-indias-pathway-to-a-qclean-indiaq-thematic-discussion-susana-indian-chapter/20122-getting-the-bigger-picture-creating-sanitation-systems-for-whole-cities-city-wide-planning-and-the-role-of-fsm-in-the-case-of-india#20173 http://forum.susana.org/component/kunena/275-faecal-sludge-management-indias-pathway-to-a-qclean-indiaq-thematic-discussion-susana-indian-chapter/20122-getting-the-bigger-picture-creating-sanitation-systems-for-whole-cities-city-wide-planning-and-the-role-of-fsm-in-the-case-of-india#20173 Faecal Sludge Management - India's pathway to a "Clean India" (Thematic discussion - SuSanA Indian Chapter) Thu, 19 Jan 2017 15:35:47 +0000 Re: Phase 3: Supporting sustainable sanitation through knowledge management and collaborative action within SuSanA - by: muench http://forum.susana.org/component/kunena/10-announcements-regarding-susana/19454-sustainable-sanitation-alliance-receives-grant-of-27-million-to-further-develop-its-global-knowledge-platform?limit=12&start=12#20172 http://forum.susana.org/component/kunena/10-announcements-regarding-susana/19454-sustainable-sanitation-alliance-receives-grant-of-27-million-to-further-develop-its-global-knowledge-platform?limit=12&start=12#20172
When you say "unreliable internet", is this mainly due to power cuts? Or the internet itself? Are there any moves in Pakistan to improve the internet connectivity? I hope so. Many countries are working on that (including Germany, in fact). In some cases, the phone networks also enable a more solid internet connection than the computers do (e.g. one can attend webinars by using one's smartphone).

Regarding these consultative workshops that you suggested: could you provide a bit more detail on what you would have in mind? Who would have to travel to where and to do what? How would the people afterwards use and disseminate what they learned or did at the workshops? Why at "SuSanA headquarters" (which would equal to Eschborn in Germany as that's the location of the SuSanA secretariat)?

I would prefer (if face-to-face meetings are needed) to have them in the capital cities or major cities of the developing countries (with perhaps certain experts connected by video link if needed, or having them there in person). The experts would not necessarily have to come from the global North but could also be from the same countriy or neighbouring countries.

One needs to consider the costs of such an event versus the impacts it can achieve on the ground and the number of people that can be reached directly or indirectly.

Please tell us more about what you have in mind, thanks.

Elisabeth]]>
Announcements regarding SuSanA Thu, 19 Jan 2017 13:27:39 +0000
Re: Urinoirs secs dans les rues de Paris, Lyon et Nantes - by: cecile http://forum.susana.org/component/kunena/172-urinals/20126-in-french-urinoirs-secs-dans-les-rues-de-paris-lyon-et-nantes-dry-urinals-in-streets-of-france-use-translator-tool-at-bottom-of-page#20171 http://forum.susana.org/component/kunena/172-urinals/20126-in-french-urinoirs-secs-dans-les-rues-de-paris-lyon-et-nantes-dry-urinals-in-streets-of-france-use-translator-tool-at-bottom-of-page#20171 En France il y a le Réseau d'Assainissement Ecologique qui est actif.
En plus de ce réseau il y a de nombreuses PME qui développent des solutions d'assainissement écologique/productif mais très peu d'entre eux ont des liens avec une plateforme comme SuSanA à part quelques acteurs français comme PSEau, Ecodomeo, Toilettes du Monde.
Pour les PME françaises, que je trouve (sans chauvinisme!) très dynamiques, c'est plus difficile d'intégrer le développement international, même si à mon sens elles pourraient largement contribuer aux ODD car elles ont développé et testé des solutions d'assainissement extrèmement performantes et pas toujours couteuses (c'est une question d'échelle).
Bien à vous,
Cécile]]>
Urinals Thu, 19 Jan 2017 11:02:47 +0000
Re: Urinoirs secs dans les rues de Paris, Lyon et Nantes - by: Mackjo http://forum.susana.org/component/kunena/172-urinals/20126-in-french-urinoirs-secs-dans-les-rues-de-paris-lyon-et-nantes-dry-urinals-in-streets-of-france-use-translator-tool-at-bottom-of-page#20170 http://forum.susana.org/component/kunena/172-urinals/20126-in-french-urinoirs-secs-dans-les-rues-de-paris-lyon-et-nantes-dry-urinals-in-streets-of-france-use-translator-tool-at-bottom-of-page#20170
Merci pour la clarté que vous venez de donner à mes interrogations. Je suis curieux de connaitre la suite de projet et mieux, de sa réussite !

Au regard des échanges que les uns et les autres partagent à travers ce forum sur "susana", j'ai l'impression que les pays anglophones ont "une longueur d'avance" sur nous, dans le domaine de l'assainissement écologique ou assainissement productif, c'est selon. Tous mes encouragement à l'entreprise Uritrottoir ! Que de telles initiatives se multiplient alors !

Bien à vous !

Dr. Joseph Makaya]]>
Urinals Thu, 19 Jan 2017 09:03:20 +0000
Re: Topic 1: FSM beyond awareness and tools - by: sunetralala http://forum.susana.org/component/kunena/275-faecal-sludge-management-indias-pathway-to-a-qclean-indiaq-thematic-discussion-susana-indian-chapter/20032-topic-1-fsm-beyond-awareness-and-tools?limit=12&start=12#20169 http://forum.susana.org/component/kunena/275-faecal-sludge-management-indias-pathway-to-a-qclean-indiaq-thematic-discussion-susana-indian-chapter/20032-topic-1-fsm-beyond-awareness-and-tools?limit=12&start=12#20169
One area of concern I have found regarding FSM is the lack of appreciation of the scale of the problem. This is a social, health and environmental question in India. Social because of the people who usually work at this. Health because of the implications of handling faecal sludge with live pathogens. Environmental because the sludge is disposed in drains or open areas and can contaminate both soil and water. To place FSM in the wider development agenda, these three aspects need to be considered.

The social dynamics change the moment pit emptying is mechanised. That is, if suction machines are used to empty pits, their operator could be from any caste. Once it becomes a business, the caste hierarchies disappear. However, this does not detract from the fact that well over a million people still empty pits by getting inside and immersing themselves in extremely unhygienic conditions while bucketing the sludge out.

The impact on their health has been document by many studies. What is not so well documented is the impact on the health of those living near disposal sites assuming faecal sludge is dumped on these sites without treatment. There is anecdotal evidence farmers ‘prepare’ their fields with troughs to receive the sludge but none on if they line the troughs, how long they keep the sludge before using it as manure, containment of flies etc. Then, on what do they use the sludge – grains, vegetables or other crops, and at what stage? When do they stop using the sludge and is that long enough for the pathogens to die off before the crops reach the market?

On the environmental aspects, untreated sludge and sewage are the single biggest cause of water pollution in India. Its collection and recycling and reuse are blind spots in both rural and urban sanitation planning.

Therefore, faecal sludge has to form part of the sanitation cycle. Pit toilets and septic tanks will have to be emptied at intervals. This will have to be done either by hand in densely populated areas, or mechanically where possible. A government or other technical agency could consider developing a protocol for collection, transport, treatment (decontamination) and recycling or reuse of the sludge takes human and ecological health into consideration. There are some suggested and mandated standards in India. For faecal coliform, I believe 10,000 MPN has been recommended for disposal in fields but I haven’t found the basis of this recommendation. The pollution control authorities have suggested a BOD of 200 mg/l for sewage that is to be used for agriculture and 30 mg/l (in some cases it is now 20 mg/l) for disposing treated effluents in water bodies. Can standards be mandated for each type of pathogen in faecal sludge, a method of handling and types of treatment plants that suit different contexts (land, price, running costs), as they have been done for sewage treatment plant and sewerage systems. This would help integrated faecal sludge management into the large water-sanitation-sewage planning process and not be seen as a standalone fringe concern.

Regards,
Sunetra Lala]]>
Faecal Sludge Management - India's pathway to a "Clean India" (Thematic discussion - SuSanA Indian Chapter) Thu, 19 Jan 2017 08:19:06 +0000
Re: Faecal Sludge Management - The Pathway to 'Clean India'? - by: magdalenabauer http://forum.susana.org/component/kunena/275-faecal-sludge-management-indias-pathway-to-a-qclean-indiaq-thematic-discussion-susana-indian-chapter/20021-faecal-sludge-management-the-pathway-to-clean-india#20168 http://forum.susana.org/component/kunena/275-faecal-sludge-management-indias-pathway-to-a-qclean-indiaq-thematic-discussion-susana-indian-chapter/20021-faecal-sludge-management-the-pathway-to-clean-india#20168
Nitya has also created a video about FSM and explained the context in India very well!

Have a look and share your thought about it. Do you agree?




Kind Regards,
Maggie
on behalf of the SuSanA Indian Chapter ]]>
Faecal Sludge Management - India's pathway to a "Clean India" (Thematic discussion - SuSanA Indian Chapter) Thu, 19 Jan 2017 07:51:19 +0000
Re: Worm toilets and deworming tablets - by: jasonlopez http://forum.susana.org/component/kunena/205-vermicomposting-digesters-for-flush-toilets-wet-composting/20064-worm-toilets-and-deworming-tablets#20167 http://forum.susana.org/component/kunena/205-vermicomposting-digesters-for-flush-toilets-wet-composting/20064-worm-toilets-and-deworming-tablets#20167
I imagine the worst case scenario being mass administration at a school. Any chance your thinking of doing any testing?

Best of Luck,

Jason Lopez]]>
Vermicomposting digesters for flush toilets (wet composting) Thu, 19 Jan 2017 07:26:00 +0000
Re: Online Course Faecal Sludge Management: next run January - May 2017! - by: saxena.ajitkumar http://forum.susana.org/component/kunena/140-courses-including-online-courses-and-trainings/19622-online-course-faecal-sludge-management-next-run-january-may-2017#20166 http://forum.susana.org/component/kunena/140-courses-including-online-courses-and-trainings/19622-online-course-faecal-sludge-management-next-run-january-may-2017#20166 Please let me know is there any fee for participation in this course
Regards,
Ajit]]>
Courses (including online courses) and trainings Thu, 19 Jan 2017 06:59:46 +0000
Re: Getting the bigger picture - Creating sanitation systems for whole cities. City-wide planning and the role of FSM in the case of India - by: Anjavonfalkenhausen http://forum.susana.org/component/kunena/275-faecal-sludge-management-indias-pathway-to-a-qclean-indiaq-thematic-discussion-susana-indian-chapter/20122-getting-the-bigger-picture-creating-sanitation-systems-for-whole-cities-city-wide-planning-and-the-role-of-fsm-in-the-case-of-india#20165 http://forum.susana.org/component/kunena/275-faecal-sludge-management-indias-pathway-to-a-qclean-indiaq-thematic-discussion-susana-indian-chapter/20122-getting-the-bigger-picture-creating-sanitation-systems-for-whole-cities-city-wide-planning-and-the-role-of-fsm-in-the-case-of-india#20165
I am posting this text on behalf of Nagasreenivas, Kanchi; Technical Expert for Sanitation Projects at GIZ India:

What are instruments for a consistent process from planning to implementation city sanitation infrastructure?
Universal goals and policy frame for working towards the “sustainable sanitation” have been established over the last decade through various national mission mode programs and state wide variants. Planning processes however still continue to follow time tested steps (CPHEEO 2013 Manual providing the backbone), though some skewness have been observed on certain steps resulting in delays during implementation. This emerges from a planning legacy where water supply and water resource planning has been one of the strong points and consequently influencing planning for wastewater management.
Wastewater management has move significantly from mere provision of toilets (accompanied by on-plot treatment systems) to a larger canvas of effectively utilizing wastewater for more productive downstream uses. This resource management and optimization objective has led to unbundling different elements across the sanitation value chain (containment, transport, treatment for health & environmental safety, treatment for recycle & reuse, disposal) for targeted solution finding. This has resulted in dealing with solid and liquid fractions of wastewater, completely & independently. A more recent approach is to look at an integrated wastewater & faecal sludge management aiming for customized local conditions & management closer to the source of wastewater generation.
The corner stones for current city-wide planning is centred on spatial planning, temporal planning and technology centric solution planning. Hence, accounting for these dynamic city systems places significant stress on implementation, hugely hinging on complex checks & balances; institutional capacities; ease of finances access. This consequently, necessitates the need for carefully crafted tools and instruments that accompany planning steps for reducing project failure risks and timely project implementation.
A typical planning to implementation process can be summed up in table below with resultant outputs serving as instruments to ensure comprehensiveness, inclusiveness and sustainability. It is envisaged that step by step process of planning will flip the current discourse of “technology” fronted planning to an outcome based planning. This would in a way help redefining the role of cities from implementing agencies to managers for services.





The challenge today can be summed up as - Integration of the past (legacy) with the future (goals) in the present (tools, technologies & opportunities for integration).]]>
Faecal Sludge Management - India's pathway to a "Clean India" (Thematic discussion - SuSanA Indian Chapter) Thu, 19 Jan 2017 06:23:30 +0000
Re: Phase 3: Supporting sustainable sanitation through knowledge management and collaborative action within SuSanA - by: F H Mughal http://forum.susana.org/component/kunena/10-announcements-regarding-susana/19454-sustainable-sanitation-alliance-receives-grant-of-27-million-to-further-develop-its-global-knowledge-platform?limit=12&start=12#20164 http://forum.susana.org/component/kunena/10-announcements-regarding-susana/19454-sustainable-sanitation-alliance-receives-grant-of-27-million-to-further-develop-its-global-knowledge-platform?limit=12&start=12#20164
I appreciate your point. The problem with webinars, however, is that, since we have slow and unreliable internet here, it is difficult to stay connected.

I have requested Elisabeth to tap some other funding sources for consultative workshops.

Regards,
F H Mughal]]>
Announcements regarding SuSanA Thu, 19 Jan 2017 05:11:26 +0000
Re: Getting the bigger picture - Creating sanitation systems for whole cities. City-wide planning and the role of FSM in the case of India - by: rjoseph http://forum.susana.org/component/kunena/275-faecal-sludge-management-indias-pathway-to-a-qclean-indiaq-thematic-discussion-susana-indian-chapter/20122-getting-the-bigger-picture-creating-sanitation-systems-for-whole-cities-city-wide-planning-and-the-role-of-fsm-in-the-case-of-india#20163 http://forum.susana.org/component/kunena/275-faecal-sludge-management-indias-pathway-to-a-qclean-indiaq-thematic-discussion-susana-indian-chapter/20122-getting-the-bigger-picture-creating-sanitation-systems-for-whole-cities-city-wide-planning-and-the-role-of-fsm-in-the-case-of-india#20163
While it is encouraging to see the interest in FSM they are seen as an alternate to sewerage systems. Factors such as population density, growth pattern, water supply, ground water and terrain should govern the choice of appropriate treatment systems (Centralized, decentralized and on-site systems).

While IS 2470 provides guidance on the design and installation of septic tanks, my observations in a few states is very disappointing. Tanks are built as a single, twin or multiple tanks with no baffle wall, improper inlet and outlet arrangements, unlined sides and bottom, outlet discharging to the drain and 9 times out 10 no soak aways. Grey wastewater is also discharged to the drains. In such situations you would have to either regulate discharge from septic tanks or take steps to treat black and grey wastewater.

These challenges are not insurmountable, but it's something that needs to be addressed if we are to create clean, healthy and liveable cities.]]>
Faecal Sludge Management - India's pathway to a "Clean India" (Thematic discussion - SuSanA Indian Chapter) Thu, 19 Jan 2017 05:06:42 +0000
Re: Phase 3: Supporting sustainable sanitation through knowledge management and collaborative action within SuSanA - by: F H Mughal http://forum.susana.org/component/kunena/10-announcements-regarding-susana/19454-sustainable-sanitation-alliance-receives-grant-of-27-million-to-further-develop-its-global-knowledge-platform?limit=12&start=12#20162 http://forum.susana.org/component/kunena/10-announcements-regarding-susana/19454-sustainable-sanitation-alliance-receives-grant-of-27-million-to-further-develop-its-global-knowledge-platform?limit=12&start=12#20162
Thanks for a good round-up. Is it possible for you to tap some other funding sources (ADB, USAID, WB, GTZ, DFID, CIDA, ESCAP) for consultative workshops, since, as you say, the current grant is internal and limited?

Regards,
F H Mughal]]>
Announcements regarding SuSanA Thu, 19 Jan 2017 05:05:45 +0000