SuSanA - Forum Kunena Site Syndication http://forum.susana.org/ Tue, 30 Sep 2014 21:54:26 +0000 Kunena 1.6 http://forum.susana.org/components/com_kunena/template/default/images/icons/rss.png SuSanA - Forum http://forum.susana.org/ en-gb Re: Sanitation Product Development for Sub-Saharan Africa - affordable, aspirational latrine products, SaTo (American Standard Brands, USA and Water for People) - by: mchalej http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/106-user-interface/10144-sanitation-product-development-for-sub-saharan-africa-affordable-aspirational-latrine-products-sato-american-standard-brands-usa-and-water-for-people#10343 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/106-user-interface/10144-sanitation-product-development-for-sub-saharan-africa-affordable-aspirational-latrine-products-sato-american-standard-brands-usa-and-water-for-people#10343 User interface Tue, 30 Sep 2014 18:50:03 +0000 Re: Sanitation Product Development for Sub-Saharan Africa - affordable, aspirational latrine products, SaTo (American Standard Brands, USA and Water for People) - by: mchalej http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/106-user-interface/10144-sanitation-product-development-for-sub-saharan-africa-affordable-aspirational-latrine-products-sato-american-standard-brands-usa-and-water-for-people#10342 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/106-user-interface/10144-sanitation-product-development-for-sub-saharan-africa-affordable-aspirational-latrine-products-sato-american-standard-brands-usa-and-water-for-people#10342
Also agree with the target being peri-urban (and rural) customers with some land.]]>
User interface Tue, 30 Sep 2014 18:47:49 +0000
Re: Sanitation Product Development for Sub-Saharan Africa - affordable, aspirational latrine products, SaTo (American Standard Brands, USA and Water for People) - by: mchalej http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/106-user-interface/10144-sanitation-product-development-for-sub-saharan-africa-affordable-aspirational-latrine-products-sato-american-standard-brands-usa-and-water-for-people#10341 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/106-user-interface/10144-sanitation-product-development-for-sub-saharan-africa-affordable-aspirational-latrine-products-sato-american-standard-brands-usa-and-water-for-people#10341
Thanks for your comments and please accept my appologies for the delayed response. See answers below:

- SaTo stands for Safe Toilet
- It's made of polypropylene
- We've tested several samples to more than 500,000 cycles without any sign of failure
- Once installed it is nearly impossible to remove or damage the door. The angle at which it can be attacked does not allow very direct application of force to the hinge.
- Yes. I believe it could be coupled with sustainable ways to treat the excrement. Walter Gibson was evaluating it with his tiger worm system.
- We are not currently exploring waterless options or UDDT, but are developing alternative versions of the approach for lower water use areas.]]>
User interface Tue, 30 Sep 2014 18:42:25 +0000
Forum e-mail digest has been improved: it is now ordered by category - by: secretariat http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/148-your-suggestions-for-improvements-of-the-forum/10340-forum-e-mail-digest-has-been-improved-it-is-now-ordered-by-category#10340 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/148-your-suggestions-for-improvements-of-the-forum/10340-forum-e-mail-digest-has-been-improved-it-is-now-ordered-by-category#10340
The forum e-mail digest is now set up so that the new posts are grouped by category, using the same category icons that we have here on the forum (and - for now - in the same order as we have it here: forum.susana.org/forum/categories).

This makes for much easier reading, now that we usually have quite a few posts per day or per week, so that you can quickly jump to the category that interests you the most.

Here is what it looks like for me in my inbox with Outlook 2010:




Please let us know how you like this change? Also if anything is not displayed correctly in your e-mail software, please let us know, by stating which mail browser you use (in this thread or by using the contact button on the left). We have tested it with quite a few mailing systems (e.g. Outlook 2010, Hotmail, Gmail) but it is still possible that there is an e-mail client out there where it needs to be adjusted.

Also if you have further suggestions for simple improvements to the digest, please let us know.

I am saying "simple", because I have to state already now that customised versions of the e-mail digest will not be possible (for example each user being able to choose in which order the categories are displayed or not displaying certain categories etc.). This is too much IT programming work. To subscribe to only selected categories, you are better off using the subscribe function directly in the Kunena Forum (see here how to subscribe to sub-categories).

One idea that Trevor had which we didn't implement yet: if there is large demand for having a digest that excludes the category "Announcements" (as this rarely involves discussions), this option could possibly be provided. It could possibly appear on this kind of list where you currently only choose the frequency:



But we would have to weigh up if the additional programming required would be worth it, i.e. if enough members would desire this.

As the desires of our 4000+ members are difficult to know, we are starting a large user survey tomorrow! You can add suggestions about the e-mail digest into one of the comment fields of the survey (or put them into this thread, of course).


Regards,
Elisabeth, Trevor, Shobana and Steffen
(for SuSanA secretariat)


P.S.
If you want to change the frequency at which you receive the e-mail digest or want to unsubscribe from it, please simply login and change your settings here: www.susana.org/login

If you want to know more about this digest or other subscription or e-mail notification options, please read here:
forum.susana.org/forum/categories/143-qu...e-mail-notifications]]>
Your suggestions for improvements of the forum Tue, 30 Sep 2014 14:58:11 +0000
Re: Sanitation Sustainability Indicators - by: SKATAOL http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/39-any-other-topic-related-to-sanitation-or-to-susana/10259-sanitation-sustainability-indicators#10339 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/39-any-other-topic-related-to-sanitation-or-to-susana/10259-sanitation-sustainability-indicators#10339 I want to support Arno's view on having a more holistic look if you want to assess the sustainability of a sanitation system such as VIP. The Technology Applicability Framework (TAF) provides you with a tested tool which includes not only technical but also the "other" sustainability related indicators, including those relevant for the scaling up of a technology. You find relevant documents incl. case studies of TAF application on VIP toilets on www.washtechnologies.net. Recently the TAF was used to improve the technical performance of the Biofil toilet in Ghana. In Ghana TREND and KNUST (Dr. Kwabena Nyarko or Dr. Richard Buamah) were involved in the technical part of the TAF work in Ghana. Maybe you can find more data there. Best regards and success André]]> Any other topic related to sanitation or to SuSanA Tue, 30 Sep 2014 08:04:39 +0000 Re: WASHplus Weekly: Focus on Sanitation as a Business - by: ben http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/89-new-publications/10314-washplus-weekly-focus-on-sanitation-as-a-business-eg-designing-the-next-generation-of-sanitation-businesses-by-hystra#10338 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/89-new-publications/10314-washplus-weekly-focus-on-sanitation-as-a-business-eg-designing-the-next-generation-of-sanitation-businesses-by-hystra#10338
I'm with you and really don't want to alienate them, but we're still on a Sustainable sanitation Forum. We should be able to discuss here without manichaeism if Unilever having monopoles on soap all over the world is actually sustainable for the populations. Is it on the long term helping the cause ? Which is the ultimate goal of sanitation marketing = to make programs free of grants or subsidies.

I'm sure when green revolution arrived in developing countries with WB + IMF programs, pesticide industries, monsanto ... crops were just amazing the first decade, everyone was happy.

Please don't make me a "left side integrist", my wish is just to push them for more transparency. How awesome would be to have someone from Unicef asking in this forum to practicioners on the ground :
"Should Unicef keep advertising Unilever lifebuoy soap in 140 countries this year through the handwashing day ?" Probably everyone would say yes, maybe a guy working in Indonesia would tell us that all the misery in the island comes from Unilever deforstation. The discussion would be interesting because we would have a vision on all externalities.

Maybe only a few of us are interested in tehse subjects, but I have the feeling that there's an Omerta on criticising them, most of us being shy on critics because we could potentially get some funds from them one day.

What I'd love, is to animate the debate to know "Where is the yellow line". We had an interseting debate on the old ecosan-res, for example please answer me the following :
"You're working in closing the loop with agriculture right, so if Monsanto wants to green wahs a bit and offer you a few millions for your program, what would you do and whatever your choice is : why ?"

I was talking about the IFC project because being Kenyan based plastic factories is important, as much as the head quarters being in the country so they pay taxes there (which has to be confirmed though).
Imagine the ghanasan project is scaling up, please tell me if I'm wrong, millions of toilets built in China are arriving in ghana, millions of liters of toilet additive that can't be treated trhough composting are arriving from somewhere else probably poluting during the process and transport, the company is paying taxes in Holland or other tax heaven, etc ... Would you still confirm that this is a great opportunity for the long term ?

I've been working years in the biggest french companies and I know a bit how they work, the greenpeace case is a good example of the fact if no-one makes fuss then it's just business as usual. So we shouldn't underestimate the impact of the discussions we're having here, maybe if tens of bright sanitation activits are claiming some transparency on Multinationals participation to the sector, they will provide it gradually.

In the hope that free discussion and non-agressive point of views can be shared here, without being shy because somehow they('ll) finance your program.

Best,

Ben]]>
New publications Tue, 30 Sep 2014 07:48:07 +0000
Re: WASHplus Weekly: Focus on Sanitation as a Business - by: JKMakowka http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/89-new-publications/10314-washplus-weekly-focus-on-sanitation-as-a-business-eg-designing-the-next-generation-of-sanitation-businesses-by-hystra#10337 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/89-new-publications/10314-washplus-weekly-focus-on-sanitation-as-a-business-eg-designing-the-next-generation-of-sanitation-businesses-by-hystra#10337
They deserve criticism for much of that they do, but it does little good to alienate them completely, i.e. lets try to embrace them for the good they can actually do.

NGOs are historically very bad at bringing things to scale, and small businesses rarely have the "muscle" to make governments adjust unfavourable regulations/conditions. Both of which the multinationals are very good at (both negatively and positively).]]>
New publications Tue, 30 Sep 2014 06:34:38 +0000
Re: Water Safety and Secuirty Planning - by: JKMakowka http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/39-any-other-topic-related-to-sanitation-or-to-susana/10333-water-safety-and-security-planning#10336 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/39-any-other-topic-related-to-sanitation-or-to-susana/10333-water-safety-and-security-planning#10336
Have you looked at the rich documentation on WHO Water Safety Plans though?

This topic might also be helpful:
forum.susana.org/forum/categories/64-wg-...-groundwater-quality]]>
Any other topic related to sanitation or to SuSanA Tue, 30 Sep 2014 06:15:39 +0000
Re: Wastewater reuse scheme in Braunschweig, Germany - is this an ecosan system? Is it good/sustainable? - by: F H Mughal http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/148-your-suggestions-for-improvements-of-the-forum/10319-re-naming-of-categories-for-example-the-category-qagricultural-reuseq#10335 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/148-your-suggestions-for-improvements-of-the-forum/10319-re-naming-of-categories-for-example-the-category-qagricultural-reuseq#10335
For example, when it comes to me, I would suggest names like hygiene, wastewater reuse (if it is not there), sanitation as a business, innovations in sanitation, governance in sanitation and, as I have often said, "water."

Regards,

F H Mughal]]>
Your suggestions for improvements of the forum Tue, 30 Sep 2014 05:06:05 +0000
Re: Wastewater reuse scheme in Braunschweig, Germany - is this an ecosan system? Is it good/sustainable? - by: F H Mughal http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/148-your-suggestions-for-improvements-of-the-forum/10319-re-naming-of-categories-for-example-the-category-qagricultural-reuseq#10334 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/148-your-suggestions-for-improvements-of-the-forum/10319-re-naming-of-categories-for-example-the-category-qagricultural-reuseq#10334 Reuse in Agriculture, though a more complete term would be Wastewater Reuse in Agriculture. Sometimes, Wastewater Reuse in Irrigation, or, more often, Treated Municipal Reuse in Irrigation, is also used.

At times, the word "water" is used, e.g., that famous FAO publication: Water Quality for Agriculture by R.S. Ayers D.W. Westcot, 1989, 1994.

Two publications by my advisor at AIT, late Prof. M B Pescod, OBE, have the titles:

1. Health Guidelines for the Use of Wastewater in Agriculture and Aquaculture
2. Wastewater Treatment and Use in Agriculture - FAO Irrigation and Drainage Paper 47

So, Wastewater Reuse in Agriculture would be an appropriate caption.

Regards,

F H Mughal]]>
Your suggestions for improvements of the forum Tue, 30 Sep 2014 04:57:44 +0000
Water Safety and Security Planning - by: Godwin http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/39-any-other-topic-related-to-sanitation-or-to-susana/10333-water-safety-and-security-planning#10333 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/39-any-other-topic-related-to-sanitation-or-to-susana/10333-water-safety-and-security-planning#10333 Any other topic related to sanitation or to SuSanA Tue, 30 Sep 2014 03:51:41 +0000 Re: WASHplus Weekly: Focus on Sanitation as a Business - by: ben http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/89-new-publications/10314-washplus-weekly-focus-on-sanitation-as-a-business-eg-designing-the-next-generation-of-sanitation-businesses-by-hystra#10332 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/89-new-publications/10314-washplus-weekly-focus-on-sanitation-as-a-business-eg-designing-the-next-generation-of-sanitation-businesses-by-hystra#10332
First of all I'd like to thank you for joining this forum, particularly because you're from a business school background, and from the best of them. Most of us are practitioners, researchers, social workers, etc ... Thanks for bringing this speciality into this great forum.

Introducing marketing and business approaches in development projects is pretty new, it's very promising and there's a lot of attention to it in the sector. But at the same time this is necessary, when mutinationals enter in, to understand the interest of both parties.

No offence, as you say there's a lot of new markets to be openned but let me give you 3 examples, but I'm not here to make the Unilever's Trial.

  • Extract from wikipedia, how the company started : "In 1911, the company received a concession for 750,000 hectares of forest in Belgian Congo, mostly south of Bandundu, where a system of forced labour operated"







Then, this is sad but in this post I was a bit frustrated to have neither Andy Narracott impression on partnering with Unilever nor Alison Parker answering what was the "toilet additive" used in the clean team ghanasan project. Toilets are built in China, and I guess toilet additive too, waste can not be treated yet out of a treatment plant, how therefore is it supporting local businesses ?

I am following closely the IFC project in Kenya (I like the fact it's made by Kenya-based plastic manufacturers) and I'm a strong believer that market approach is the futur, however we practitioners need to keep in mind the notion of sustainability when we do development. We've seen too many abuses of multinationals in the countries we're working in, many times they've unfortunatly been responsible for problems populations are facing ... so I believe this is important to discuss between on-the-ground practitioners if multinationals should be part of the solution, and then how.

To finish, thanks again for the report. This is great to have such detail analysis on all these sani-market programs, I enjoyed reading it and will take some more time for the appendixes. As I mentionned, this is great to see programs analysis from this very economic perspective, and the way you compared the program is very fluid.

Hope you're not feeling attacked, this forum is a respectful place to share ideas, conceptions and visions of the sector. Welcome again and looking forward to hear more of your own vision of the sanitation market potential building Public Private Partnerships with Multinationals.

Cordialement,

Ben]]>
New publications Mon, 29 Sep 2014 22:55:38 +0000
Re: Designers, inventors, tinkerers... unite! (urine diversion squatting plates) - publication Compilation of contemporary toilet designs - by: bernhard http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/34-urine-diversion-systems-includes-uddt-and-ud-flush-toilet/3507-designers-inventors-tinkerers-unite-urine-diversion-squatting-plates-publication-compilation-of-contemporary-toilet-designs?limit=12&start=24#10331 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/34-urine-diversion-systems-includes-uddt-and-ud-flush-toilet/3507-designers-inventors-tinkerers-unite-urine-diversion-squatting-plates-publication-compilation-of-contemporary-toilet-designs?limit=12&start=24#10331 Hi Cecilia,

Thanks for sharing the link to the other tread - I was a aware of the doc but havn´t had a look at it for quite some time - very cool how much more information was added in the meantime.

I´m sorry I don´t have any useful 3d data of a sitting UDDT. We did some experiments with urine diverting sitting bowls but even this was not very satisfying. I´d ask re.source / sanivation / mosan (Mona).

PM me if you need help contacting them.

edit: or Ghanasan/Clean Team...]]>
Urine diversion systems (includes UDDT and UD flush toilet) Mon, 29 Sep 2014 22:40:26 +0000
Re: Wastewater reuse scheme in Braunschweig, Germany - is this an ecosan system? Is it good/sustainable? - by: muench http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/148-your-suggestions-for-improvements-of-the-forum/10319-re-naming-of-categories-for-example-the-category-qagricultural-reuseq#10330 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/148-your-suggestions-for-improvements-of-the-forum/10319-re-naming-of-categories-for-example-the-category-qagricultural-reuseq#10330 An alternative wording would be "Reuse in agriculture", would you find that clearer? It gives 47,000 hits in Google, so twice as much.

NB: we are anyway thinking of possibly re-structuring & re-naming some of the categories and sub-categories of the Forum. For that, we will very soon (probably 1 October) launch a large user survey. So everyone is invited to also say in the survey (or here on the Forum) if they would like to see a re-structuring & renaming of some of the categories...

Regards,
Elisabeth]]>
Your suggestions for improvements of the forum Mon, 29 Sep 2014 18:46:54 +0000
My TED talk on sanitation: "Sanitation as a basic human right", TED Fellows Retreat 2013 - by: FrancisdelosReyes http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/53-faecal-sludge-management/10329-my-ted-talk-on-sanitation-qsanitation-as-a-basic-human-rightq-ted-fellows-retreat-2013#10329 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/53-faecal-sludge-management/10329-my-ted-talk-on-sanitation-qsanitation-as-a-basic-human-rightq-ted-fellows-retreat-2013#10329
I talked about sanitation at a TED event last year (TED Fellows Retreat).

The talk made it to the main TED.com website

www.ted.com/talks/francis_de_los_reyes_s..._a_basic_human_right

I hope I did not make too many mistakes, and also am happy to feature the classic pit emptying photos by Florian Erzinger and Bobbie Louton. But it would be great if you all can watch it, and share with others, and use as you please to highlight the issues in sanitation.

Thanks!

-Francis]]>
Faecal sludge management Mon, 29 Sep 2014 17:27:41 +0000