SuSanA - Forum Kunena Site Syndication http://forum.susana.org/ Sat, 28 Feb 2015 19:10:51 +0000 Kunena 1.6 http://forum.susana.org/components/com_kunena/template/default/images/icons/rss.png SuSanA - Forum http://forum.susana.org/ en-gb Re: Self Sustained eToilet for households/ Urban-semi urban Public/ Community Sanitation (Eram Scientific, India) - by: Bincy http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/170-public-toilets-community-toilets-toilets-at-festivals-and-events/3663-self-sustained-etoilet-for-households-urban-semi-urban-public-community-sanitation-eram-scientific-india?limit=12&start=36#12293 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/170-public-toilets-community-toilets-toilets-at-festivals-and-events/3663-self-sustained-etoilet-for-households-urban-semi-urban-public-community-sanitation-eram-scientific-india?limit=12&start=36#12293
Thank you for pointing this out.

The eToilets installed in Raichur were during year 2012 We were very glad to associate with Raichur authorities for providing the sanitation solution using eToilets. As pointed out by the commissioner, the user awareness was also very low and there were perceived apprehensions of the users getting trapped.

But I am glad to inform you that these revelations has helped us to view the eToilet from the user perspective and in subsequent models, we have eliminated every feature and functionality which keeps them away from using an eToilet. The electronics integration is for ensuring cleaning and maintenance of eToilet and the normal user do not have to use any electronic interface. The user can use the eToilet as any normal toilet.

Since then, we are now in 650 locations across India and we are happy to know that the users in cities and towns like Delhi, Bangalore, Chennai, Patna, Ahmedabad (in over 14 states)are now increasingly using eToilets.

Our R&D team is in a continuous process of design and development of the eToilet enclosure, thanks to the support of BMGF since the past years. These valuable feedback of well wishers like you are welcome and we understand, we still have a long way to go in providing the best of sanitation facility to the common man in India. We believe a comprehensive approach to provide sanitation encompassing the challenges of user awareness, adoption of new sanitation technologies, skill development, conservation of resources, sustainability and maintenance of cleanliness and hygiene is the need of the hour in India.

Also shared below is the eToilet video link www.dropbox.com/s/s0dlt94vgdtm86x/E%20TO...TURE%20FILM.mp4?dl=0

And, to put the price of eToilets in USD, 1 lakh comes to around 1600 USD. The higher end models would be around 3-6 lakhs which would be around 4800-9700 USD.

Regards,
Bincy]]>
Public toilets, community toilets, toilets at festivals and events Sat, 28 Feb 2015 06:48:20 +0000
Re: When is SuSanA going to move to open access for its publications? - by: WikiDocJames http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/166-definitions-wikis-wikipedia-glossaries-dictionaries-mapping-tools/12204-when-is-susana-going-to-move-to-open-access-for-its-publications#12292 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/166-definitions-wikis-wikipedia-glossaries-dictionaries-mapping-tools/12204-when-is-susana-going-to-move-to-open-access-for-its-publications#12292
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Definitions, wikis, Wikipedia, glossaries, dictionaries, mapping tools Sat, 28 Feb 2015 00:17:15 +0000
Re: TDS: Week 3 Theme - The way forward…adaptation of the sanitation ladder to the post-2015 period - by: fabiola http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/185-thematic-discussion-the-sanitation-ladder-next-steps/12185-tds-week-3-theme-the-way-forwardadaptation-of-the-sanitation-ladder-to-the-post-2015-period?limit=12&start=12#12291 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/185-thematic-discussion-the-sanitation-ladder-next-steps/12185-tds-week-3-theme-the-way-forwardadaptation-of-the-sanitation-ladder-to-the-post-2015-period?limit=12&start=12#12291 Thematic Discussion - The Sanitation Ladder: Next Steps Fri, 27 Feb 2015 23:26:15 +0000 Re: Introducing Sanitation in Floating Communities - by: muench http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/105-processing-technologies-for-excreta-or-faecal-sludge/4057-floating-treatment-pods-for-lake-communities-in-asia-wetland-works-ltd-cambodia-a-constructed-wetland-system-for-flood-resilient-sanitation#12288 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/105-processing-technologies-for-excreta-or-faecal-sludge/4057-floating-treatment-pods-for-lake-communities-in-asia-wetland-works-ltd-cambodia-a-constructed-wetland-system-for-flood-resilient-sanitation#12288
Thanks for this update.
I am a little bit confused, is this presentation from the FSM3 conference about the same system?:

A constructed wetland system for flood resilient sanitation: John Allen, Wetlands Work, Royal University of Agriculture, Dongkor District, Cambodia

www.susana.org/images/documents/07-cap-d...-1/2-1-4-3-Allen.pdf

I have to say that the term "pod" has always confused me and "floating wetland" is much better in my view.
This picture from the presentation made it finally clear to me what it is:


I wonder though about the longer term stability of such a system, as you could get cracks in your "boat" type structure which presumably lead to a poorer performance of this floating constructed wetland.

How long as the longest one been in operation for so far?

Regards,
Elisabeth]]>
Processing technologies for excreta or faecal sludge Fri, 27 Feb 2015 16:16:16 +0000
Re: Self Sustained eToilet for households/ Urban-semi urban Public/ Community Sanitation (Eram Scientific, India) - by: joeturner http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/170-public-toilets-community-toilets-toilets-at-festivals-and-events/3663-self-sustained-etoilet-for-households-urban-semi-urban-public-community-sanitation-eram-scientific-india?limit=12&start=36#12287 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/170-public-toilets-community-toilets-toilets-at-festivals-and-events/3663-self-sustained-etoilet-for-households-urban-semi-urban-public-community-sanitation-eram-scientific-india?limit=12&start=36#12287 www.thehindu.com/news/national/telangana...aign=RSS_Syndication

These toilets, developed by a private company – Eram Scientific, will be set up at three arterial junctions in the city – two cabins each (for men and women) at Central Bus Station and near pilgrim amenities complex – Vishnu Nivasam i.e., opposite to Railway Parcel Office. The third one, comprising of a single cabin, will come up at Urban SP Office near NTR Circle.

Speaking to The Hindu, Municipal Engineer B. Chandrasekhar welcomed the introduction of automated toilets and explained about their functioning. The unit, which costs Rs.5.5 lakh, houses all the information about its usage, in local languages. It has exits and hooters to alert people outside in case of any emergency.


That's about 8,000 Euro and 9,000 USD Elisabeth ]]>
Public toilets, community toilets, toilets at festivals and events Fri, 27 Feb 2015 15:51:30 +0000
Re: Self Sustained eToilet for households/ Urban-semi urban Public/ Community Sanitation (Eram Scientific, India) - by: joeturner http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/170-public-toilets-community-toilets-toilets-at-festivals-and-events/3663-self-sustained-etoilet-for-households-urban-semi-urban-public-community-sanitation-eram-scientific-india?limit=12&start=36#12286 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/170-public-toilets-community-toilets-toilets-at-festivals-and-events/3663-self-sustained-etoilet-for-households-urban-semi-urban-public-community-sanitation-eram-scientific-india?limit=12&start=36#12286 Public toilets, community toilets, toilets at festivals and events Fri, 27 Feb 2015 15:45:09 +0000 Re: Self Sustained eToilet for households/ Urban-semi urban Public/ Community Sanitation (Eram Scientific, India) - by: muench http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/170-public-toilets-community-toilets-toilets-at-festivals-and-events/3663-self-sustained-etoilet-for-households-urban-semi-urban-public-community-sanitation-eram-scientific-india?limit=12&start=36#12285 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/170-public-toilets-community-toilets-toilets-at-festivals-and-events/3663-self-sustained-etoilet-for-households-urban-semi-urban-public-community-sanitation-eram-scientific-india?limit=12&start=36#12285
The eToilets that you are implementing were actually quoted as an example for a failed toilet project here:

www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-nationa...s/article4764796.ece

Raichur city fails to wake up to e-toilets

The article says:

The e-toilets at three vital spots in the city — near the CMC, Ambedkar Circle and Teen Kandeel circle — were the first of their kind in the State. Nine months on, however, the toilets have hardly been used.

CMC Commissioner in charge V. Shashikala blamed lack of awareness among the people for it. “People don’t know how to use these technologically advanced toilets. They are afraid to use it; they fear being locked up inside the toilets,” she says.


Mind you, the article is from 2013 so a lot has probably changed since then. Interestingly, it was picked up in this article by the New York Times from last year which is where I saw it (and posted about it here):
www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/after-....VKudQxuSMWx.twitter

After 10 years, few payoffs from Gates’ ‘Grand Challenges’

"When several Gates-funded, high-tech toilets were installed in the Indian city of Raichur last year, at a cost of about $8,000 each, residents refused to use them. "

It could be that the journalist writing the NYT article in December 2014 was stuck for examples so he picked on an isolated case from May 2013? But the question is: was it an isolated case or not?

What can you tell us about this (please be honest and self-critical )?

Oh and I noticed in your response above that you wrote:
The eToilet price ranges from 1 lakh onwards with the higher end models priced at around 3-6 lakhs


I know Indians love quoting prices in lakhs, but outside of India this is totally unknown. Could you please be so kind to convert it also in Euros for it (or USD if you prefer)? Thanks a lot.

Regards,
Elisabeth]]>
Public toilets, community toilets, toilets at festivals and events Fri, 27 Feb 2015 15:39:02 +0000
Re: When is SuSanA going to move to open access for its publications? - by: JKMakowka http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/166-definitions-wikis-wikipedia-glossaries-dictionaries-mapping-tools/12204-when-is-susana-going-to-move-to-open-access-for-its-publications#12284 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/166-definitions-wikis-wikipedia-glossaries-dictionaries-mapping-tools/12204-when-is-susana-going-to-move-to-open-access-for-its-publications#12284 But obviously having them available as open access too would be much preferable.]]> Definitions, wikis, Wikipedia, glossaries, dictionaries, mapping tools Fri, 27 Feb 2015 15:28:32 +0000 Re: TDS: Week 3 Theme - The way forward…adaptation of the sanitation ladder to the post-2015 period - by: ricardgine http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/185-thematic-discussion-the-sanitation-ladder-next-steps/12185-tds-week-3-theme-the-way-forwardadaptation-of-the-sanitation-ladder-to-the-post-2015-period?limit=12&start=12#12283 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/185-thematic-discussion-the-sanitation-ladder-next-steps/12185-tds-week-3-theme-the-way-forwardadaptation-of-the-sanitation-ladder-to-the-post-2015-period?limit=12&start=12#12283
I agree with Patrick that the key issue of the debate is how to adapt the existing ladder to the needs of implementing organisations. In my opinion, being the ladder a monitoring tool, the ultimate aim should be to provide clear information about who is served and who is not served, and which is the level of service delivered (including not only the conditions of the facility but also the management of excreta).

Two comments in this regard:

A) As has been said repeatedly, the focus should be on first four steps of the functional ladder, as they include the issues of basic infrastructure and excreta disposal / management. In terms of monitoring, I am not sure if an eight-rung ladder is adequate if four rungs are rarely achieved. Therefore, one recommendation could be to focus on a ladder of 4 to 5 rungs.

To me, the current functions of the ladder (Excreta containment; Access; Greywater management and Pathogen) may lead to an incomplete picture from a monitoring viewpoint. Having in the same rung different indicators related to hygienic conditions of the facility (rung 1: excreta containment) or to access (rung 2: access) does not allow at all the differentiation between different service levels accessed by different households. Not sure if a focus on the level of service delivered would help. This would entail identify the different categories of the service, and then describe various levels of service for each category. For instance, we could take into consideration the five HHRR criteria to categorize the service (availability, physical accessibility, safety, acceptability, affordability). Then, identify four different levels of service per each category (no service, basic service, intermediate service and adequate service). We could then apply the rule that moving up the ladder means that the level of service has been fulfilled for all 5 categories … At this stage, one could then relate the levels of service with a function-based approach …

All the best,]]>
Thematic Discussion - The Sanitation Ladder: Next Steps Fri, 27 Feb 2015 13:11:39 +0000
CLARA Simplified Planning Tool v1.6 - Updated version available - by: Langergraber http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/164-financing-costs-economics-subsidies-tariffs/7485-clara-simplified-planning-tool-to-compare-the-real-costs-of-various-alternatives-of-water-supply-and-sanitation-systems-in-the-pre-planning-stage#12282 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/164-financing-costs-economics-subsidies-tariffs/7485-clara-simplified-planning-tool-to-compare-the-real-costs-of-various-alternatives-of-water-supply-and-sanitation-systems-in-the-pre-planning-stage#12282 The country-specific CLARA SPT versions can be again downloaded as single zip-files including the SPT file itself (version 1.6 of the CLARA SPT is implemented in Microsoft Excel*, MS Excel* 2010 is required), the user manual and the "Technology descriptions") from http://clara.boku.ac.at/index.php/planning-tool-2.

Version 1.6 of the CLARA SPT is only available in English, users of the Franch version of the SPT are advised to only use CLARA SPT v1.6.

References:
Ketema, A.A., Langergraber, G. (2015a): Sensitivity of results from the CLARA Simplified Planning Tool for different input parameters. Water Science and Technology 71(2), 234-244, doi: 10.2166/wst.014.497.
Ketema, A.A., Langergraber, G. (2015b): Three supplementary methods for sensitivity analysis of water supply system's life cycle cost using the CLARA Simplified Planning Tool. Journal of Water Supply: Research and Technology - AQUA, in press, doi: 10.2166/aqua.2015.126.


Best regards,
Guenter Langergraber]]>
Financing, costs, economics, subsidies, tariffs Fri, 27 Feb 2015 12:49:53 +0000
Re: CLTS on wikipedia - by: muench http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/5-clts-community-led-total-sanitation-and-other-community-led-approaches/12277-clts-on-wikipedia#12281 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/5-clts-community-led-total-sanitation-and-other-community-led-approaches/12277-clts-on-wikipedia#12281

And great that you started with the CTLS page. It really was in need of improvements and more details!

It would be great if you (and others) could add some of the key findings, explanations observations, facts and references that came to light in our previous, partly heated, discussions on CLTS here on the forum:


Obvously we have to try and sort the facts from personal opinions or unproven statements. But I am sure there are some pieces of information in these threads which would be very good to capture on the Wikipedia page about CLTS, e.g. in the section on criticism: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community-led_total_sanitation#Criticisms

and on recent developments: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community-led_tota...#Recent_developments

More photos would also be good. Perhaps some photos from their photo contest could be made avaible by the CLTS Knowledge Hub?
See here:
forum.susana.org/forum/categories/5-clts...ition-picturing-clts

So far, the CLTS article has just one photo in it and that's from Kamal Kar giving a presentation at the 12th SuSanA meeting. Not bad but this does not capture well what CLTS is all about. You need a photo of a village committee in heated discussions or during the triggering or during the "transect walk" or digging pits for pit latrines...]]>
CLTS (Community led total sanitation) and other community led approaches Fri, 27 Feb 2015 12:44:34 +0000
Re: When is SuSanA going to move to open access for its publications? - by: Marijn Zandee http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/166-definitions-wikis-wikipedia-glossaries-dictionaries-mapping-tools/12204-when-is-susana-going-to-move-to-open-access-for-its-publications#12280 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/166-definitions-wikis-wikipedia-glossaries-dictionaries-mapping-tools/12204-when-is-susana-going-to-move-to-open-access-for-its-publications#12280
I am fully on board with open access.I agree that in the old version the second sentence was technically redundant. However, I could also see how people think it is a good idea to gently remind people of acknowledgements.

I would suggest something like:

"All SuSanA materials are available under open access license (CC-BY).
Feel free to use any of the information, but acknowledge this document as the source."

The CC-BY bit, could me made to be the hyperlink. As long as the link is static and will not break if a version 4.0 comes out.

Regards

Marijn]]>
Definitions, wikis, Wikipedia, glossaries, dictionaries, mapping tools Fri, 27 Feb 2015 12:30:50 +0000
Re: CLTS on wikipedia - by: joeturner http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/5-clts-community-led-total-sanitation-and-other-community-led-approaches/12277-clts-on-wikipedia#12279 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/5-clts-community-led-total-sanitation-and-other-community-led-approaches/12277-clts-on-wikipedia#12279
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community-led_total_sanitation]]>
CLTS (Community led total sanitation) and other community led approaches Fri, 27 Feb 2015 11:28:22 +0000
Re: TDS: Week 3 Theme - The way forward…adaptation of the sanitation ladder to the post-2015 period - by: bracken http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/185-thematic-discussion-the-sanitation-ladder-next-steps/12185-tds-week-3-theme-the-way-forwardadaptation-of-the-sanitation-ladder-to-the-post-2015-period?limit=12&start=12#12278 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/185-thematic-discussion-the-sanitation-ladder-next-steps/12185-tds-week-3-theme-the-way-forwardadaptation-of-the-sanitation-ladder-to-the-post-2015-period?limit=12&start=12#12278 Today is officially the last day of this 3 week Thematic Discussion on the Functional Sanitation Ladder. Many thanks to all for the contributions!!!

Whilst I don't think that this is the end of the discussion by any means, I do think that these 3 weeks have been very useful and informative.
Starting into the three weeks, I think none of us three Thematic Lead (Elisabeth Kvarnstrom, Ricard Gine, or myself) had a definite goal in mind, and simply had a rough structure for each week. In retrospect I think this has helped us a great deal. The idea of the functional ladder has been around for a few years, but whilst meeting with broad agreement, it hasn't been broadly used in implementation or monitoring. These discussions have provided an impetus towards making the originally proposed functional ladder more practice-oriented and more relevant in the post-2015 context.

Originally it was planned to organize a webinar within the three week discussion period. However, no clear themes or topics seemed to come from the discussion which we, the thematic leads, felt would lend themselves to a more detailed consideration in a focused webinar. During the last few days though, it has become clear that the significance of the discussion needed to first sink in before we could see in what direction it could be best supported. We now feel that an appropriate next step would be if we, the three thematic leads, return to the original functional ladder and review it, bringing it up to date in light of all the constructive expert contributions made here since the 09.02 and to better address the post-MDG landscape.

Our aim is to produce a new version of the functional ladder that may be of use to implementers, providing them with a clear reference framework for their interventions and for monitoring, which conforms to the demands of the SDGs. We hope to have this review completed by mid-March and to return to the SuSanA group for further discussions, particularly within the framework of a webinar on the updated functional around the end of March.

I'd like to thank everyone who has contributed to this discussion so far with their experience, ideas, comments and analysis, they have all been a great help. I' also like to thank my co-thematic leads for the brainpower they have put in behind the scenes and their insightful contributions and engagement here, in parallel to their busy day jobs, and last but not least, the people at SuSanA, for providing this opportunity and the framework for the discussion, as well as timely summaries of what is going on - particularly Roslyn who has been a great driving force.]]>
Thematic Discussion - The Sanitation Ladder: Next Steps Fri, 27 Feb 2015 11:10:43 +0000
CLTS on wikipedia - by: joeturner http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/5-clts-community-led-total-sanitation-and-other-community-led-approaches/12277-clts-on-wikipedia#12277 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/5-clts-community-led-total-sanitation-and-other-community-led-approaches/12277-clts-on-wikipedia#12277
It seems to me that there is a lot more which could usefully be said - for example there could maybe be a bigger section (or maybe even a page) with more details about triggering, post-triggering sustainability and so on.

Any thoughts or additions welcome - although please avoid copying text from other CLTS websites or just adding links to factsheets. The idea is to create an encyclopedia, so mentioning an issue from the factsheet and then referencing it is fine (in fact, it is more than fine, it is very good!), but just linking to it in the main section of the text looks a bit rubbish.

I appreciate that paraphrasing and editing is more work than just adding a link.. but it is more likely to be read if written in an interesting and consistent way. Thanks in advance.]]>
CLTS (Community led total sanitation) and other community led approaches Fri, 27 Feb 2015 10:42:39 +0000