SuSanA - Forum Kunena Site Syndication http://forum.susana.org/ Thu, 23 Oct 2014 00:39:13 +0000 Kunena 1.6 http://forum.susana.org/components/com_kunena/template/default/images/icons/rss.png SuSanA - Forum http://forum.susana.org/ en-gb Re: Do you know about wastewater disposal in deep wells in US? - by: KeithBell http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/39-any-other-topic-related-to-sanitation-or-to-susana/9934-do-you-know-about-wastewater-disposal-in-deep-wells-in-us#10660 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/39-any-other-topic-related-to-sanitation-or-to-susana/9934-do-you-know-about-wastewater-disposal-in-deep-wells-in-us#10660
Here's a thread I started on the subject earlier this year:
forum.susana.org/forum/categories/39-any...-downstream-of-wwtps

EPA admits absolutely no focus on fecal sterols in drinking water:

“No published studies examining the presence of fecal sterols in treated drinking water have been identified.” US EPA, Distribution System Indicators of Drinking Water Quality, 2006″
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Any other topic related to sanitation or to SuSanA Wed, 22 Oct 2014 23:32:17 +0000
Re: sanitation 21 - by: jonpar http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/59-wg-6-cities/6197-revised-sanitation-21-planning-framework-draft-for-comment#10659 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/59-wg-6-cities/6197-revised-sanitation-21-planning-framework-draft-for-comment#10659
Thanks very for your message.

I agree the document could be longer (although initially we were trying to produce something quite a bit shorter that what is available. It could in fact be a full book but there are two reasons why it isn't

Firstly, although it would provide more comprehensive technical guidance, we didn't set out to prepare a book on the topic as we wanted a document that was more accessible.

Secondly, even if we had wanted to produce a book, it would have taken alot more time to prepare and we didn't have this time available.

It would however be great if it could be expanded with a SuSanA/IWA working group taking this on board.

Maybe I am not understanding your point but I am a bit confused by your comment in reference to Box 1 which describes the experiences from Dschang, Cameroon. The information is from PS-Eau. The predominant type of sanitation in the city is on-site not sewerage and therefore it would be of less relevance to cities which are predominantly covered by sewerage

best regards,

Jonathan]]>
WG 6 (cities) Wed, 22 Oct 2014 21:47:47 +0000
Re: Do you know about wastewater disposal in deep wells in US? - by: skdentel http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/39-any-other-topic-related-to-sanitation-or-to-susana/9934-do-you-know-about-wastewater-disposal-in-deep-wells-in-us#10658 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/39-any-other-topic-related-to-sanitation-or-to-susana/9934-do-you-know-about-wastewater-disposal-in-deep-wells-in-us#10658 We have not tested this, but it should be the case for any non-volatile pollutants since only vapors pass through.
More is here.]]>
Any other topic related to sanitation or to SuSanA Wed, 22 Oct 2014 21:29:07 +0000
Re: Health information on Wikipedia is going from strength to strength - can we do the same for sanitation (together with others)? - by: muench http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/39-any-other-topic-related-to-sanitation-or-to-susana/10174-health-information-on-wikipedia-is-going-from-strength-to-strength-can-we-do-the-same-for-sanitation-together-with-others?limit=12&start=36#10657 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/39-any-other-topic-related-to-sanitation-or-to-susana/10174-health-information-on-wikipedia-is-going-from-strength-to-strength-can-we-do-the-same-for-sanitation-together-with-others?limit=12&start=36#10657
Thanks for your notes, Chris and Pete. I agree totally with you both about getting students involved with assignments to work on Wikipedia articles, the different target group we could reach with Wikipedia articles on sanitation and also the idea of using the SuSanA working group members ro rally behind improving certain Wikipedia pages.

About the editor, please don't scare people off, Pete, because the new editor in Wikipedia (called Edit beta) is so easy, it is just like writing in Word! It is easier than this forum's editor.

Here are some Youtube videos that show James Heilman in action, speaking about Wikipedia in higher education (at University of British Columbia in Vancouver, Canada):

Playlist: www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL07E69A3311AB345A

I particularly like this video where he explains how he got started on Wikipedia (during a slow nightshift in the emergency ward somewhere in rural Canada) and that "we from Wikipedia would not cite ourselves in Wikipedia articles!" (rather cite quality documents when writing a Wikipedia article)



I copy from the Youtube description for this video:

Dr James Heilman, UBC Faculty of Medicine, Wikimedia Canada Board of Directors. He is an active editor and administrator on the English Wikipedia involved primarily with Wikiproject Medicine. He is one of the top 1000th most prolific editors of the English site by edit count and has contributed hundreds of medical images over the previous 4 years. In 2009 he was involved with promoting and protecting Wikipedia's right to contain images in the public domain. In 2011 in collaboration with 18 other medical editors he published a peer reviewed article in the Journal of medical Internet research calling upon his peers to join in as editors.


I don't know about you but I am very impressed by this and very happy that someone like James has taken it upon him to also improve sanitation-related articles on Wikipedia! He is helping me a lot with the modest contributions I have made on Wikipedia so far.

I have mentioned in this post which Wikipedia articles I have already worked on in the last week or so: forum.susana.org/forum/categories/39-any...d-pit-latrines#10582
(should you have any content feedback, please put it in that thread or write it directly in the talk page of the Wikipedia article)

Let me just repeat them here in case any of these topics are important in your opinion:
SuSanA: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sustainable_Sanitation_Alliance
Dry toilets: www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_toilet
Pit latrines: www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_latrine
open defecation: www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_defecation
sustainable sanitation: www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sustainable_sanitation
urine diversion: www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urine_diversion
helminths (just a little bit): www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helminths
helminthiasis (just a little bit): www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helminthiasis
reuse (a little bit): www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reuse
urinals (a little bit): www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urinal
Stockholm Water Prize (added information about Peter Morgan to it): www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_Water_Prize

I could of course just soldier on with this on my own (together with James) but it's so much nicer to be doing it as a team effort!

So next time when any of you look up something on Wikipedia - on any topic - please think of me and my lonely quest to improve the sanitation related Wikipedia pages and ask yourself if you could not donate a little bit of your time?

Regards,
Elisabeth

P.S. James, a Wiki Project for Sanitation sounds really interesting, or maybe it is wiser to keep is as part of the existing (and succesful) Wiki Project for Medicine for now?]]>
Any other topic related to sanitation or to SuSanA Wed, 22 Oct 2014 21:00:27 +0000
Re: Debate about effectiveness of CLTS, prompted by UNICEF official after book launch about CLTS in Madagascar - by: F H Mughal http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/5-clts-community-led-total-sanitation/10204-debate-about-effectiveness-of-clts-prompted-by-unicef-official-after-book-launch-about-clts-in-madagascar?limit=12&start=12#10656 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/5-clts-community-led-total-sanitation/10204-debate-about-effectiveness-of-clts-prompted-by-unicef-official-after-book-launch-about-clts-in-madagascar?limit=12&start=12#10656 "Can you also shed some light on the controversy between figures used in the book that were refuted by the Madagascan Minister?"

The publication, “Promising Pathways,” carries rather protracted foreword by KK (10 pp). While I had the delightful experience of meeting KK at World Water Forum 6, in Marseille, France in March 2012, I feel it is not quite acceptable, when given to understand that CLTS is a “near-universal” sanitation problems’ solution. CLTS in urban areas is not implementable, for the simple reason that, in urban areas, it is not the question of pit latrine or open defecation. We have a whole sewerage setup from sewage generation, transportation, treatment and ultimate disposal. Where do the predominantly rural CLTS initiatives fit in the equation?

F H Mughal]]>
CLTS (Community led total sanitation) Wed, 22 Oct 2014 17:30:40 +0000
Re: sanitation 21 - by: F H Mughal http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/59-wg-6-cities/6197-revised-sanitation-21-planning-framework-draft-for-comment#10655 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/59-wg-6-cities/6197-revised-sanitation-21-planning-framework-draft-for-comment#10655
The publication is interesting, though it is too short (38 pp) for such an important topic. Kindly help me out on an aspect that is bothering me. The document is meant for urban sanitation services (pp. 11). Urban centers (for example, in Pakistan – cities like Karachi, Lahore, and Hyderabad) have sewer system laid and managed by the municipal authorities. We don’t have to undergo any headache. Domestic and industrial wastewaters flow in the sewer system, conveyed to wastewater treatment plants and onwards for disposal.

Box 1 says: “Install systems for safe management of pit latrine faecal sludge and septage from septic tanks.” This would pertain to the sanitary conditions in rural areas here, where households have pit latrines, or septic tank-soak pit systems. This is not quite clear to me, perhaps, you can help me out.

Or, is it that the publication was written for sanitation systems in developed countries?

Regards,

F H Mughal]]>
WG 6 (cities) Wed, 22 Oct 2014 17:02:06 +0000
Re: Ebola KnowledgePoint - by: ulrichl http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/26-health-hygiene-and-disability-issues/10645-ebola-knowledgepoint#10654 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/26-health-hygiene-and-disability-issues/10645-ebola-knowledgepoint#10654
Thanks for this information!
The following has nothing to do with the website knowldegepoint.org, but I found it fits nicely into this thread and it could be of interest to the sanitation community:
The Guardian created an excellent visualization of how Ebola compares to other infectious diseases: www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/ng-int...-infectious-diseases

A guote from that site:
With Ebola panic spreading, we thought it might be timely to visualise the data on the infectiousness of various pathogens.
To give a universal metric for infectiousness, we’ve used the average ‘basic reproduction number’ (also ratio or rate). It’s a statistical measure of how likely and widespread an infectious disease outbreak might be - if nothing is done to control the situation.
Every disease has a basic reproduction number but the numbers are scattered across the literature. We’ve web-crawled and gathered them all here in one graphic, plotting them against the average case fatality rate - the % of infectees who die. This hopefully gives us a data-centric way to understand the most infectious and deadly diseases and contextualise current events.

Regards,
Lukas]]>
Health, hygiene and disability issues Wed, 22 Oct 2014 14:41:36 +0000
Re: Reseach Topic Assistance - Otji toilets (UDDTs) in Namibia - by: JKMakowka http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/34-urine-diversion-systems-includes-uddt-and-ud-flush-toilet/10649-reseach-topic-assistance-otji-toilets-uddts-in-namibia#10653 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/34-urine-diversion-systems-includes-uddt-and-ud-flush-toilet/10649-reseach-topic-assistance-otji-toilets-uddts-in-namibia#10653
Does your University have laboratory facilities you can use to test for example faecal bacteria contamination in the diverted urine? Might be interesting to see how well the system deals with watery diarrhoea and what extra precautions might be necessary before applying the urine as fertilizer then.]]>
Urine diversion systems (includes UDDT and UD flush toilet) Wed, 22 Oct 2014 12:13:39 +0000
Re: Ebola KnowledgePoint - by: rkaupp http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/26-health-hygiene-and-disability-issues/10645-ebola-knowledgepoint#10652 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/26-health-hygiene-and-disability-issues/10645-ebola-knowledgepoint#10652
Thank you for moving the thread. KnowledgePoint is an initiatie by a few NGOs (WaterAid, RedR, Practical Action, EngineerAid, IRC...) to provide a place to ask technical questions, where specialists can answer. This is because these NGOs all had their internal "technical support" services, but without good platforms to do so). So KnowledgePoint is used both internally (for instance in WaterAid we use it to link fundraising and comms teams to technical advisors), and to allow people from other NGOs or the public to ask questions as well.

The main website is on knowledgepoint.org/ where you can ask questions anonymously or register, and there are sub-sites for specific organisations, and for instance for Ebola as well.

So, to use it, just search for existing answers, or ask a new question, it's free to use! There are no dedicated times for Q&As as it is not "live", more a repository of knowledge. As it is broader than WASH as it goes into energy, infrastructure, organisational issues, etc.

Best wishes,
Rémi]]>
Health, hygiene and disability issues Wed, 22 Oct 2014 10:31:26 +0000
Re: Please take part in our SuSanA Discussion Forum User Survey - and win one of over 150 prizes! - by: Florian http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/10-by-susana-secretariat-or-core-group/10353-please-take-part-in-our-susana-discussion-forum-user-survey-and-win-one-of-over-150-prizes#10651 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/10-by-susana-secretariat-or-core-group/10353-please-take-part-in-our-susana-discussion-forum-user-survey-and-win-one-of-over-150-prizes#10651
So I want to join those above in encouranging everybody who has not yet, to take the 5-10 min and fill out the form. Its done really quickly and will help to have a much more meaningfull result of the survey. It's also a good chance to express wishes for new or better forum features.

Regards, Florian]]>
By SuSanA secretariat or core group Wed, 22 Oct 2014 10:18:28 +0000
Re: latrine technology question about the use of two chamber rural latrine septic tanks - by: Florian http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/67-sanitation-systems-for-special-conditions-resiliant-risk-reduction/10648-latrine-technology-question-about-the-use-of-two-chamber-rural-latrine-septic-tanks#10650 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/67-sanitation-systems-for-special-conditions-resiliant-risk-reduction/10648-latrine-technology-question-about-the-use-of-two-chamber-rural-latrine-septic-tanks#10650
The baffle separates the tank in two compartments (some design have even 3 compartments), which helps retaining solids, either sludge sinking to the bottom or floating scum. The clarified liquid can be further treated or infiltrated. After a certain period, accumulated solids need to be pumped out, as otherwise volume for accumulation would become too small and solids start to be carried over to the next chamber or the soak pit.

Single chamber systems are less efficient for retaining solids, so more solids start entering earlier in the soak pit, where over time they lead to clogging.

The main difference between a well designed two-chamber septic tank and a single chamber tank is the life time: if the 2-chamber tank is properly maintained (desludged according to design intervalls) its lifetime is basically unlimited. A single chamber system will becomed clogged at some time (how fast depends on soil characteristics) and need to be replaced.

As for the contamination of groundwater, there is no difference between a one or a two chamber system. In a one chamber system, the solids will also be retained, just in the soil matrix around the soak pit rather in the tank itself. In both system, clarified wastewater (containing up to 50 % of the total BOD and still an important load of pathogens) will infiltrate and may contaminate the groundwater. If contamination of groundwater is really a problem depends of densitiy of the septic tanks, of soil properties, and of the type of use of the groundwater.

It's a bit different if the tanks do not drain into a soak pit but into suface water or a drainage ditch. Then pollution from single chamber systems (or badly maintained two-chamber systems) is definitely worse than from well maintained two-chamber septic tanks.

This is all generally speaking. I'm not so sure what exactly is the situation you are dealing with. Your attachment 2 shows the same as 1, also a 2 chamber system, just with some difference in the placement of the pipe connecting the two chamber.

I know that in Cambodia (and elsewhere) single chamber systems, soak pits are common in rural pour flush latrines. These fill up after some time and need to be replaced (often designes foresee two of such pits, to be used alternatively.

Regards, Florian]]>
Sanitation systems for special conditions, resiliant risk reduction Wed, 22 Oct 2014 10:08:32 +0000
Reseach Topic Assistance - Otji toilets (UDDTs) in Namibia - by: Maria123 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/34-urine-diversion-systems-includes-uddt-and-ud-flush-toilet/10649-reseach-topic-assistance-otji-toilets-uddts-in-namibia#10649 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/34-urine-diversion-systems-includes-uddt-and-ud-flush-toilet/10649-reseach-topic-assistance-otji-toilets-uddts-in-namibia#10649


Next year will be my final year and I will be required to conduct a research in any area relevant to my field of study. I've chosen to focus on water and sanitation in Namibia as that is where I have identified a gab in most of the rural areas. My main focus being on the Otji-Toilets which are recommended for most poor communities in the south of Namibia.



I know what I want to research on but I'm finding it difficult to come up with a topic for my research.


Suggestions on any researchable topic that has to do with sanitation are highly welcomed.]]>
Urine diversion systems (includes UDDT and UD flush toilet) Wed, 22 Oct 2014 09:57:35 +0000
latrine technology question about the use of two chamber rural latrine septic tanks - by: rhockkh http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/67-sanitation-systems-for-special-conditions-resiliant-risk-reduction/10648-latrine-technology-question-about-the-use-of-two-chamber-rural-latrine-septic-tanks#10648 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/67-sanitation-systems-for-special-conditions-resiliant-risk-reduction/10648-latrine-technology-question-about-the-use-of-two-chamber-rural-latrine-septic-tanks#10648
I have a latrine technology question about the use of two chamber rural latrine septic tanks (see attachment 1).

It has been suggested to me that it is very important to include a ‘baffle’ (see attachment 2) inside the first sealed tank to drain blackwater from the middle of the tank into the second soakaway tank.

This ‘baffle’ needs to drain water from the middle of the tank. It is very important for the connecting pipe not to drain blackwater from the top of the first tank as this will drain scum floating on and slightly below the water surface. The water that is then drained into the second soakaway tank from the middle of the first tank will be much safer to be then allowed to discharge into the local water table – approximately 70% harmless was quoted to me.

My question is why this ‘baffle’ is not a prominent feature of all septic tank designs used in Cambodia (where I currently work) – as in attachment 1 above where it is present but not to the specifications in attachment 2 (or as detailed in the literature)?

And why are single tank designs promoted in Cambodia that seem to take no account of the potential to contaminate local water tables?

Looking forward to any insight on this.

Best regards

Richard Hocking
Development Professional
Siem Reap
Cambodia]]>
Sanitation systems for special conditions, resiliant risk reduction Wed, 22 Oct 2014 09:33:18 +0000
Re: 3rd International Conference on Faecal Sludge Management - Vietnam 19-21 January 2015 - by: muench http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/21-events/10407-3rd-international-conference-on-faecal-sludge-management-vietnam-19-21-january-2015?limit=12&start=12#10647 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/21-events/10407-3rd-international-conference-on-faecal-sludge-management-vietnam-19-21-january-2015?limit=12&start=12#10647 I think also quite a few of the grantees with sanitation projects by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation will be there, too (for an overview about those grants see here: www.susana.org/en/resources/research/gates-foundation or check out the new database of grants here: www.susana.org/en/resources/research/gat...ndation/all-projects ).

For those that cannot be there in person: I am hoping that presentations will be filmed and made available afterwards (but I have not yet heard the final verdict from the organisers on this).

Regards,
Elisabeth]]>
Events Wed, 22 Oct 2014 09:30:45 +0000
Re: Ebola KnowledgePoint - by: muench http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/26-health-hygiene-and-disability-issues/10645-ebola-knowledgepoint#10646 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/26-health-hygiene-and-disability-issues/10645-ebola-knowledgepoint#10646
thanks for that, interesting initiative.
Could you tell us more about how this "Knowledge Point" website works? Does it have a Q&A session on different topics for certain time periods? I tried to access earlier Q&A sessions on other topics but couldn't find them.

I vaguley remember hearing about this Knowledge Point initiative in the past but can't remember any details about it.

Regards,
Elisabeth

P.S. I have moved the thread from Announcements to the Health section if that's OK by you.]]>
Health, hygiene and disability issues Wed, 22 Oct 2014 09:26:11 +0000