SuSanA - Forum Kunena Site Syndication http://forum.susana.org/ Sat, 25 Oct 2014 11:10:39 +0000 Kunena 1.6 http://forum.susana.org/components/com_kunena/template/default/images/icons/rss.png SuSanA - Forum http://forum.susana.org/ en-gb Re: Deactivation of viruses (notably ebola virus) in feacal sludges from emergencies health centres - by: jonpar http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/61-wg-8-emergencies/10619-deactivation-of-viruses-notably-ebola-virus-in-feacal-sludges-from-emergencies-health-centres#10630 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/61-wg-8-emergencies/10619-deactivation-of-viruses-notably-ebola-virus-in-feacal-sludges-from-emergencies-health-centres#10630 forum.susana.org/forum/categories/26-hea...uring-ebola-epidemic
best regards, Jonathan]]>
WG 8 (emergencies) Tue, 21 Oct 2014 14:38:21 +0000
Re: Deactivation of viruses (notably ebola virus) in feacal sludges from emergencies health centres - by: JKMakowka http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/61-wg-8-emergencies/10619-deactivation-of-viruses-notably-ebola-virus-in-feacal-sludges-from-emergencies-health-centres#10627 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/61-wg-8-emergencies/10619-deactivation-of-viruses-notably-ebola-virus-in-feacal-sludges-from-emergencies-health-centres#10627
For virus based illnesses like Ebola it seems much less suitable, not only because of the issues in handling the lime.

In addition I could imagine that in such a health centre there is also quite a lot of waste/grey-water (probably mixed with disinfectants from cleaning surfaces, equipment and protection suits) that needs to be dealt with.

The safest would be probably to come up with a liquid/solid separation device and treat the clear liquid with high strength UV light that is very efficient in deactivating viruses.
A dead end filter (with for example fine sand as the filter medium) could be used to gain relatively dry solids that could then be burned after scraping them off the top of the filter bed. Ovens for burning contaminated equipment usually already exist in many health centres and could be most likely used.

Edit: Any kind of composting (or MBR etc.) would probably not work very well due to the disinfectants and antibiotics in the waste produced from such health centres.]]>
WG 8 (emergencies) Tue, 21 Oct 2014 13:58:25 +0000
Re: Deactivation of viruses (notably ebola virus) in feacal sludges from emergencies health centres - by: jonpar http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/61-wg-8-emergencies/10619-deactivation-of-viruses-notably-ebola-virus-in-feacal-sludges-from-emergencies-health-centres#10620 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/61-wg-8-emergencies/10619-deactivation-of-viruses-notably-ebola-virus-in-feacal-sludges-from-emergencies-health-centres#10620 www.channel4.com/programmes/undercover-boss/on-demand/58259-001 it's a messy business and unless there is a safer way to mix lime with faecal sludge that has less occupational health risks, it's probably not viable. But one option would be to find a safe mixing method.. composting would probably be good due to high temperatures but again it involved mixing... or some other treatment process.. your thoughts please. Jonathan]]> WG 8 (emergencies) Tue, 21 Oct 2014 10:42:55 +0000 Deactivation of viruses (notably ebola virus) in feacal sludges from emergencies health centres - by: jonpar http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/61-wg-8-emergencies/10619-deactivation-of-viruses-notably-ebola-virus-in-feacal-sludges-from-emergencies-health-centres#10619 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/61-wg-8-emergencies/10619-deactivation-of-viruses-notably-ebola-virus-in-feacal-sludges-from-emergencies-health-centres#10619
I have recently commenced work for Oxfam as Senior WASH Programme Development Strategist and I am new to the "Emergency" working group.

We have been discussing firstly what are the most effective treatment options to deactivate viruses and secondly what would be the most appropriate option for installation at an emergency health centre set up to isolate/treat people infected with ebola.

We have our own ideas but would be interested to hear from you what you think would be the best method.

best regards

Jonathan

Senior WASH Programme Development Strategist - Oxfam GB
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WG 8 (emergencies) Tue, 21 Oct 2014 10:02:53 +0000
Re: Invitation Stockholm WWW Seminar I Streamlining Strategies for Humanitarian Aid in the WASH Sektor I Sept. 3, 09:00-12:30, Room K11 - by: rob# http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/61-wg-8-emergencies/9925-full-seminar-documentation-streamlining-strategies-for-humanitarian-aid-in-the-wash-sektor-sept-3-stockholm-www-2014#10399 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/61-wg-8-emergencies/9925-full-seminar-documentation-streamlining-strategies-for-humanitarian-aid-in-the-wash-sektor-sept-3-stockholm-www-2014#10399
Under the following link you will find the full seminar documentation (incl. summary, short films, presentations, pictures etc.): www.washnet.de/en/activities/world-water-week-2014

Any comments or further feedback are highly appreciated.

Best regards

rob]]>
WG 8 (emergencies) Tue, 07 Oct 2014 06:50:25 +0000
Re: A product development framework for emergency excreta disposal (PhD research) - by: yokepean http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/61-wg-8-emergencies/9557-a-product-development-framework-for-emergency-excreta-disposal-phd-research#10389 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/61-wg-8-emergencies/9557-a-product-development-framework-for-emergency-excreta-disposal-phd-research#10389
Thank you for your reply. It is interesting that people have accepted using dust and sand. Do you have more data about it?

Best regards
Yoke]]>
WG 8 (emergencies) Mon, 06 Oct 2014 11:46:46 +0000
Re: A product development framework for emergency excreta disposal (PhD research) - by: Enny http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/61-wg-8-emergencies/9557-a-product-development-framework-for-emergency-excreta-disposal-phd-research#10349 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/61-wg-8-emergencies/9557-a-product-development-framework-for-emergency-excreta-disposal-phd-research#10349
In emergency situation learn from some of disaster in Indonesia most of Indonesian people still need water for anal cleansing because not familiar with the toilets paper. But for flushing the toilet they accepted to use others like dust or sand.

Untill now Indonesia Government has been done with the ODF the targets goal was reached and now Government and private sector start for the universal access

Enny
Indonesia Toilet Association]]>
WG 8 (emergencies) Wed, 01 Oct 2014 09:52:39 +0000
Full seminar documentation: Streamlining Strategies for Humanitarian Aid in the WASH Sektor, Sept. 3, Stockholm WWW 2014 - by: rob# http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/61-wg-8-emergencies/9925-full-seminar-documentation-streamlining-strategies-for-humanitarian-aid-in-the-wash-sektor-sept-3-stockholm-www-2014#9925 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/61-wg-8-emergencies/9925-full-seminar-documentation-streamlining-strategies-for-humanitarian-aid-in-the-wash-sektor-sept-3-stockholm-www-2014#9925
We kindly invite you to the upcoming seminar at Stockholm World Water Week 2014 “Streamlining Strategies for Humanitarian Aid in the WASH Sector” on Wednesday Sept. 4 from 09:00 to 12:30 (Room K11).

The seminar is organised by the German Federal Foreign Office and the German WASH Network together with UNICEF, the Swiss Federal Department of Foreign Affairs, the Sanitation and Water for All (SWA) Partnership and the Sustainable Sanitation Alliance (SuSanA). During the seminar current challenges in humanitarian WASH response will be presented from different perspectives and analysed with regard to their policy implications. Together with the seminar participants the strength and weaknesses of existing humanitarian aid strategies and coordination mechanisms will be boiled down to specific recommendations feeding into on-going national WASH strategy development processes (e.g. Germany). You will find the detailed program and a corresponding flyer attached. Further relevant seminar information can be found here: programme.worldwaterweek.org/event/strea...-strategies-for-3384


In addition we would like to draw your attention to two other thematically related events during Stockholm World Water Week:

Meeting of the SuSanA Working Group 8 on “Sustainable Sanitation in Emergencies and Reconstruction Situations”
Convenor: SuSanA WG8
Date: Thursday, September 4, 2014
Time: 9am to 11am
Room: K12

Seminar on "New Concepts and Technologies for Sanitation in Emergency Settings"
Convenor: IFRC, Oxfam, Waste
Co-Convenor: SuSanA, Swedish Red Cross
Date: Thursday, September 4, 2014
Time: 2pm to 5:30pm
Room: K24
For more information click here: programme.worldwaterweek.org/event/new-concepts-and-3453

Best regards

rob]]>
WG 8 (emergencies) Fri, 29 Aug 2014 10:09:15 +0000
Invitation working group meeting Stockholm Water Week Thursday 4 September 2014, Room K12, 9-11 - by: jspit http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/61-wg-8-emergencies/9634-invitation-working-group-meeting-stockholm-water-week-thursday-4-september-2014-room-k12-9-11#9634 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/61-wg-8-emergencies/9634-invitation-working-group-meeting-stockholm-water-week-thursday-4-september-2014-room-k12-9-11#9634
We are pleased to announce that the SuSanA working group 8 on “Sustainable Sanitation in Emergencies and Reconstruction Situations" is organising a working group meeting in Stockholm which will be held on Thursday September 4th at the Stockholm Water Week Conference Venue (Stockholmmässan, Room K12) from 9-11am.

Please find attached the draft agenda. Please note that this is just a first draft which can still be amended and we would be happy to get your feedback and further inputs particularly on those parts highlighted in yellow (new developments and trends, identification of key areas of action). And under the following link you’ll find the latest version of the WG8 factsheet for your information: www.susana.org/docs_ccbk/susana_download...inal-ci-tms-evmx.pdf

As the room size is limited to 45 people the participation will be on a first come first serve basis. So kindly get back to us as soon as possible in case you are planning to participate in the meeting.


…and for your information: There will be two thematically related seminars as part of the official Stockholm World Water Week Program which we would like to recommend to the group:

Streamlining Strategies for Humanitarian Aid in the WASH Sector
Convenors: German Federal Foreign Office, German WASH Network
Co-Convenors: UNICEF, SWA, SuSanA, FDFA
Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2014
Time: 9am to 12:30pm
Room: K11
For more information click here: programme.worldwaterweek.org/event/strea...-strategies-for-3384

New Concepts and Technologies for Sanitation in Emergency Settings
Convenor: IFRC, Oxfam, Waste
Co-Convenor: SuSanA, Swedish Red Cross
Date: Thursday, September 4, 2014
Time: 2pm to 5:30pm
Room: K24
For more information click here: programme.worldwaterweek.org/event/new-concepts-and-3453

If you have any further questions please do not hesitate to get back to me ( This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it ). Please CC Robert Gensch ( This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it ) as he is assisting with the organization of this event.

Best regards
Jan Spit]]>
WG 8 (emergencies) Wed, 06 Aug 2014 14:21:37 +0000
Re: A product development framework for emergency excreta disposal (PhD research) - by: canaday http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/61-wg-8-emergencies/9557-a-product-development-framework-for-emergency-excreta-disposal-phd-research#9593 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/61-wg-8-emergencies/9557-a-product-development-framework-for-emergency-excreta-disposal-phd-research#9593
The document you linked to about dry toilets in Indonesia was not so negative (7th_nenijovi.pdf). The last slide sums it up:
"By asking respondents for the comfort of BT in compare with normal existed toilet, 31% said BT better then the existed toilet, and only 16% said in contrary. About 50% of respondent said both model was accepted.
After using the BT, 95% respondents agreed to use BT."

One of the main points is that this study was not looking at conventional UDDTs, but rather a "BioToilet", which seems to be a large box full of coconut fiber dust with an Archimedes Screw to stir it.
drrajivdesaimd.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/bio-toilet.png

Do you (or anyone) have more info on this Bio-Toilet, its costs and results?

In any case, we need to figure out how to best achieve changes in people's preferences and behaviours. This depends on setting an example and then publicizing it. With the predominance of Islam in Indonesia, I think it would be key to convince religious leaders to set this example. (Mughal may likely have excellent suggestions on this.)

Best wishes,
Chris Canaday]]>
WG 8 (emergencies) Sat, 02 Aug 2014 01:32:42 +0000
Re: A product development framework for emergency excreta disposal (PhD research) - by: yokepean http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/61-wg-8-emergencies/9557-a-product-development-framework-for-emergency-excreta-disposal-phd-research#9582 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/61-wg-8-emergencies/9557-a-product-development-framework-for-emergency-excreta-disposal-phd-research#9582
I think the use of water is a key factor here. My colleague interviewed some people at evacuation camps who would rather wait to go to the toilet than to defecate without using water. Unfortunately it would be difficult to change such behavior in emergency situations.

Best wishes
Yoke]]>
WG 8 (emergencies) Fri, 01 Aug 2014 04:47:36 +0000
Re: A product development framework for emergency excreta disposal (PhD research) - by: yokepean http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/61-wg-8-emergencies/9557-a-product-development-framework-for-emergency-excreta-disposal-phd-research#9580 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/61-wg-8-emergencies/9557-a-product-development-framework-for-emergency-excreta-disposal-phd-research#9580
Thanks for your thought-provoking questions!

When I said "Indonesians must use water", I was referring to anal cleansing. However, pour-flush toilets are the norm in Indonesia so I am unsure whether users would be willing to change their behavior.

There has been some research on the acceptability of dry toilets:
www.scj.go.jp/en/sca/activities/conferen...pdf/7th_nenijovi.pdf

But I am not aware of any real attempts to implement UDDTs in communities here, so we don't really know whether it would be successful. Certainly I think that it is possible, but more research is needed.

With regard to the benefit of UDDTs over open defecation, problems include convincing users that open defecation is unsafe and that it is okay to handle fertilizer that originates from faeces. Community-led total sanitation is implemented by the Health Department but I don't know how successful it really is.

This write-up by the WSP on the factors associated with achieving open defecation free communities in East Java in Indonesia may be useful:
www.wsp.org/sites/wsp.org/files/publicat...ng-ODF-East-Java.pdf

I'm actually from Singapore but have been in Indonesia for two years. I also did a few projects in Indonesia, Sri Lanka and Myanmar prior to starting my PhD.

Best regards
Yoke]]>
WG 8 (emergencies) Fri, 01 Aug 2014 04:41:05 +0000
Re: A product development framework for emergency excreta disposal (PhD research) - by: canaday http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/61-wg-8-emergencies/9557-a-product-development-framework-for-emergency-excreta-disposal-phd-research#9578 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/61-wg-8-emergencies/9557-a-product-development-framework-for-emergency-excreta-disposal-phd-research#9578
When excrement is mixed in water, the volume of dangerous material keeps getting bigger, whereas with a UDDT the danger is contained and its volume gets progressively smaller.

I invite you to read this interview about the downfalls of flush toilets:
www.chekhovskalashnikov.com/water-sanitation/
... and this one about the advantages of UDDTs:
www.chekhovskalashnikov.com/human-waste-disposal/

Among the advantages of the UDDT is that they can be close to people's homes, thus improving privacy, ease and dignity, compared to Open Defecation. They also eliminate the need for piped water, which can be especially important in an emergency.

Good luck with your study.

Best wishes,
Chris]]>
WG 8 (emergencies) Fri, 01 Aug 2014 03:53:28 +0000
Re: A product development framework for emergency excreta disposal (PhD research) - by: muench http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/61-wg-8-emergencies/9557-a-product-development-framework-for-emergency-excreta-disposal-phd-research#9577 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/61-wg-8-emergencies/9557-a-product-development-framework-for-emergency-excreta-disposal-phd-research#9577
What did you mean by:
most Indonesians must use water

--> did you mean water for anal cleansing or did you mean "they must flush away the faeces", i.e. they "must" always use a pour flush toilet?

If you meant they have to use water for anal cleansing, then this is not a deterrent for UDDTs. We have discussed this here on the forum for example:
forum.susana.org/forum/categories/141-ot...nique-situation#6668

If you mean that they "must flush" then you might be interested in checking out this thread about the situation in Cambodia where some people have asked if UDDTs could be an option in order to simplify the faecal sludge mangement system:
forum.susana.org/forum/categories/142-up...12&start=12#9220

Also it could be interesting to read in this thread about UDDTs in Bangladesh which has some similarities to Indonesia - ample water available, Muslim population. I think one selling point for UDDTs there is that they are more suitable for flood-prone areas.
forum.susana.org/forum/categories/34-uri...-uddts-in-bangladesh

What did you mean by:
I'm not sure that Indonesians would see much benefit in using the UDDT over open defecation

Surely they would see that there is a significant difference as the UDDT would be a safe form of containment of the faeces, and even treatment for reuse?

It's actually great that we hear a bit about the situation in Indonesia from you. We haven't had much on Indonesia on the forum yet!
Which country are you from if it's not Indonesia?

Kind regards,
Elisabeth]]>
WG 8 (emergencies) Thu, 31 Jul 2014 20:40:25 +0000
Re: A product development framework for emergency excreta disposal (PhD research) - by: yokepean http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/61-wg-8-emergencies/9557-a-product-development-framework-for-emergency-excreta-disposal-phd-research#9574 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/61-wg-8-emergencies/9557-a-product-development-framework-for-emergency-excreta-disposal-phd-research#9574
Thanks!

I think it would be difficult because most Indonesians must use water, except perhaps in certain regions where it is very dry. Also, I'm not sure that Indonesians would see much benefit in using the UDDT over open defecation, which would be much more convenient.

However, I should note that I'm not Indonesian so I might not be the most qualified person to answer this question.

Best wishes
Yoke]]>
WG 8 (emergencies) Thu, 31 Jul 2014 16:57:44 +0000