SuSanA - Forum Kunena Site Syndication http://forum.susana.org/ Thu, 24 Apr 2014 20:21:30 +0000 Kunena 1.6 http://forum.susana.org/components/com_kunena/template/default/images/icons/rss.png SuSanA - Forum http://forum.susana.org/ en-gb Re: Use of planning documents to guide the selection of sanitation technologies - by: JKMakowka http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/59-wg-6-cities/7874-use-of-planning-documents-to-guide-the-selection-of-sanitation-technologies#7917 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/59-wg-6-cities/7874-use-of-planning-documents-to-guide-the-selection-of-sanitation-technologies#7917 Edit: except for Sophia) really answered if they know practical examples of the mentioned guides being used.

I know that the people involved with Sanitation21 and I think also CLUES did some research further refine their approaches and come up with a sanitation master-plan for Kampala last year. Dr. Jonathan Parkinson (a user of this forum) was behind that, but I think he has switched jobs since then.

But in my opinion those tools are largely just a very general guide and (cynically speaking) often their main benefit seems to guide the creation of nice, way to detailed "top-down" government plans that then end up sitting on a shelf.

Good "Master-plans" in sanitation are out of necessity very broad and should rather focus on creating a favorable (business) environment for a multitude of coexisting options and approaches.]]>
WG 6 (cities) Thu, 20 Mar 2014 18:05:23 +0000
Re: Use of planning documents to guide the selection of sanitation technologies - by: JKMakowka http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/59-wg-6-cities/7874-use-of-planning-documents-to-guide-the-selection-of-sanitation-technologies#7916 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/59-wg-6-cities/7874-use-of-planning-documents-to-guide-the-selection-of-sanitation-technologies#7916 anaritaramoa wrote:

Dear Makowka,
You said in your previous comment that you don't think sanitation technology selection is really a problem in most cases. May I ask you in which cases do you think it is actually a problem in developing contexts?


So you are asking me which usage cases there are for a sanitation DSS? i.e. the non-"most cases" situations?
That is obviously a bit difficult to answer as I don't know each and every situation that might come up where "contrary to most cases" a sanitation DSS can really help.

It might give you a "out-side evidence" to convince some policy maker of trying something else than flush-toilets or it might help in situations were local (government/NGO) staff is really low-skilled due to a prevailing bad security situation (e.g. all skilled persons have left and you can't convince people to go there for a techology assessment either). Or it might be a useful training tool for people to learn about options and were they are appropriate.
But as you can see, all those speculated cases are rather uncommon and the main benefit isn't the actual "decision support".

Sanitation technology isn't some complex system that needs modeling or scenario-building to come to a good decision. Thus I don't see much use in a DSS for it (and as you can see above there are plenty of simple options/guide-books available already).

Obviously the broader picture of getting people to actually use sanitation systems in a sustainable and healthy way that also protects the environment is everything but simple. Technology choice itself is only a small piece of that however.]]>
WG 6 (cities) Thu, 20 Mar 2014 17:43:42 +0000
Re: Use of planning documents to guide the selection of sanitation technologies - by: ben http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/59-wg-6-cities/7874-use-of-planning-documents-to-guide-the-selection-of-sanitation-technologies#7915 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/59-wg-6-cities/7874-use-of-planning-documents-to-guide-the-selection-of-sanitation-technologies#7915
Just to share one more :
www.sanitationmarketing.com/step-3-product-design#.UysbU_l5NzZ

The approach in sanitation marketing is slightly different cause it focuses a lot in the appealance of the product, which will very much influence the sales of sanitation products.

For me, this forum has always been much more usefull than any publication or planning process to gather technology advices.

They talk in this paper about the Human Centered Design process (www.hcdconnect.org/toolkit/en) which to be honnest is a lot of communication for little usefull tools.

Good luck in your research !

Ben]]>
WG 6 (cities) Thu, 20 Mar 2014 17:11:41 +0000
Re: Use of planning documents to guide the selection of sanitation technologies - by: anaritaramoa http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/59-wg-6-cities/7874-use-of-planning-documents-to-guide-the-selection-of-sanitation-technologies#7914 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/59-wg-6-cities/7874-use-of-planning-documents-to-guide-the-selection-of-sanitation-technologies#7914 Thanks for sharing the documents!

Dear Makowka,
You said in your previous comment that you don't think sanitation technology selection is really a problem in most cases. May I ask you in which cases do you think it is actually a problem in developing contexts?

Dear Christophe Muanda,
We will be in contact. Sophia Pan, who is also doing her PhD and has written in this topic, may be also of interest to you

Best regards,
Ana Rita Ramôa]]>
WG 6 (cities) Thu, 20 Mar 2014 15:36:48 +0000
Re: Use of planning documents to guide the selection of sanitation technologies - by: JKMakowka http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/59-wg-6-cities/7874-use-of-planning-documents-to-guide-the-selection-of-sanitation-technologies#7901 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/59-wg-6-cities/7874-use-of-planning-documents-to-guide-the-selection-of-sanitation-technologies#7901 WG 6 (cities) Thu, 20 Mar 2014 07:28:27 +0000 Re: Use of planning documents to guide the selection of sanitation technologies - by: AquaVerde http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/59-wg-6-cities/7874-use-of-planning-documents-to-guide-the-selection-of-sanitation-technologies#7900 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/59-wg-6-cities/7874-use-of-planning-documents-to-guide-the-selection-of-sanitation-technologies#7900 forum.susana.org/forum/categories/39-any...land-bonaire-nl#6921

JKMakowka, unfortunately you are right on this issue...

For proper sanitation money is more them enough available and know-how too, but not enough willingness & stand to do so, by people in charge and confidants!

"Money makes greed, and greed devours the brain"


Regards,
Detlef]]>
WG 6 (cities) Thu, 20 Mar 2014 07:24:24 +0000
Re: Use of planning documents to guide the selection of sanitation technologies - by: muandac http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/59-wg-6-cities/7874-use-of-planning-documents-to-guide-the-selection-of-sanitation-technologies#7899 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/59-wg-6-cities/7874-use-of-planning-documents-to-guide-the-selection-of-sanitation-technologies#7899
I'm working in this field and currently doing my PhD on sanitation governance. I think we can exchange information in due course. Elisabeth can provide you with my email and we can discuss and exchange documentation and experience.

Regards

Christophe Muanda


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WG 6 (cities) Thu, 20 Mar 2014 07:17:43 +0000
Re: Use of planning documents to guide the selection of sanitation technologies - by: JKMakowka http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/59-wg-6-cities/7874-use-of-planning-documents-to-guide-the-selection-of-sanitation-technologies#7896 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/59-wg-6-cities/7874-use-of-planning-documents-to-guide-the-selection-of-sanitation-technologies#7896 www.washtechnologies.net/

Although I have to be honest: I don't think sanitation technology selection is really a problem in most cases.]]>
WG 6 (cities) Wed, 19 Mar 2014 13:47:40 +0000
Re: Use of planning documents to guide the selection of sanitation technologies - by: F H Mughal http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/59-wg-6-cities/7874-use-of-planning-documents-to-guide-the-selection-of-sanitation-technologies#7890 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/59-wg-6-cities/7874-use-of-planning-documents-to-guide-the-selection-of-sanitation-technologies#7890
F H Mughal]]>
WG 6 (cities) Wed, 19 Mar 2014 12:05:56 +0000
Re: Use of planning documents to guide the selection of sanitation technologies - by: F H Mughal http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/59-wg-6-cities/7874-use-of-planning-documents-to-guide-the-selection-of-sanitation-technologies#7889 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/59-wg-6-cities/7874-use-of-planning-documents-to-guide-the-selection-of-sanitation-technologies#7889
Please have a look at the attached publications.

Thank you,

F H Mughal]]>
WG 6 (cities) Wed, 19 Mar 2014 11:57:52 +0000
Re: Use of planning documents to guide the selection of sanitation technologies - by: sphpan http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/59-wg-6-cities/7874-use-of-planning-documents-to-guide-the-selection-of-sanitation-technologies#7876 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/59-wg-6-cities/7874-use-of-planning-documents-to-guide-the-selection-of-sanitation-technologies#7876
Side note: Did you attend the IWA Water and Sanitation for Developing Countries conference in Nairobi last October by chance? Your name sounds familiar.

Have you read the paper by Sherpa, Luthi and Kootatep "Applying the Household-Centred Environmental Sanitation planning approach: a case study from Nepal"? I think CLUES evolved from HCES and work that was done in Nepal and elsewhere so it may be a helpful reference. The corresponding author is Mingma Gyalzen Sherpa This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it . Sorry, I would share the actual file, but I'm not sure how the whole journal copyright thing works for an online forum.

~Sophia]]>
WG 6 (cities) Tue, 18 Mar 2014 22:10:38 +0000
Use of planning documents to guide the selection of sanitation technologies - by: anaritaramoa http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/59-wg-6-cities/7874-use-of-planning-documents-to-guide-the-selection-of-sanitation-technologies#7874 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/59-wg-6-cities/7874-use-of-planning-documents-to-guide-the-selection-of-sanitation-technologies#7874
I am a PhD student at the University of Lisbon, Portugal. My thesis focuses on the development of a decision support methodology for improving sanitation services in peri-urban areas of developing countries.

As a first phase of my research, I am analyzing how particular elements, such as water-related sectors, sustainability dimensions or different segments of the sanitation supply-chain are considered when selecting sanitation technologies in developing contexts.

I have already analysed the level of guidance provided by some planning documents in the sector in what concerns the incorporation of those elements in sanitation technology decision-making. Now I would like to further compare planning documents with existing practices in the field.

I wonder if anyone could suggest me cases of application or persons who have used the following documents as a guide for the selection of sanitation technologies:

-Sanitation 21 (IWA);
-Principles of town water supply and sanitation. Part 2: Sanitation (World Bank, 2007);
-Technology Option for Urban Sanitation in India (Water and Sanitation Program, 2008);
-Community-Led Urban Environmental Sanitation Planning: CLUES (Eawag-Sandec, 2011);
-How to develop a concerted municipal strategy (CMS) for water and sanitation (pS-Eau, 2012).

Thanks a lot.
Ana Rita Ramôa]]>
WG 6 (cities) Tue, 18 Mar 2014 18:48:27 +0000
Peri-Urban Sanitation and Water Service Provision: Challenges and opportunities for developing countries - by: Ekane http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/59-wg-6-cities/7603-peri-urban-sanitation-and-water-service-provision-challenges-and-opportunities-for-developing-countries#7603 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/59-wg-6-cities/7603-peri-urban-sanitation-and-water-service-provision-challenges-and-opportunities-for-developing-countries#7603 The different chapters highlight challenges and opportunities concerning sanitation and water supply in peri-urban areas of developing countries. Chapter 1 describes the particular features of periurban areas and highlights different challenges for improving sanitation and water supply. The following five chapters (2-6) deal primarily with opportunities for improvement concerning crucial aspects of sanitation and water supply in peri-urban areas. Finally, chapter 7 introduces gaming as an arena for learning and discussion about different solutions. In gaming, as well as in real planning and negotiations, the other chapters can be used for inspiration and as sources of information.

SanWatPUA is a Swedish network of experts established in 2010, that has focused on the synthesis and communication of scientific knowledge about the provision of sanitation and water to peri-urban areas in developing countries. The network aims to support innovation in peri-urban areas through knowledge dissemination on key areas for change. SanWatPUA has applied methods and tools to synthesize knowledge that is instrumental for practitioners in the planning and problem-solving of real-life situations.]]>
WG 6 (cities) Mon, 03 Mar 2014 13:22:49 +0000
Re: Sustainable Sanitation in Cities, used in university course - by: luethich http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/59-wg-6-cities/7044-sustainable-sanitation-in-cities-used-in-university-course#7047 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/59-wg-6-cities/7044-sustainable-sanitation-in-cities-used-in-university-course#7047
Great to hear that our book is of use to students around the world, I also use it as recommended reading at our ETH course for environmental engineers.

Cheers
Chris Luthi, Eawag Switzerland
www.sendec.ch]]>
WG 6 (cities) Sun, 19 Jan 2014 11:02:14 +0000
Sustainable Sanitation in Cities, used in university course - by: paulv http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/59-wg-6-cities/7044-sustainable-sanitation-in-cities-used-in-university-course#7044 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/59-wg-6-cities/7044-sustainable-sanitation-in-cities-used-in-university-course#7044
drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B4fhfAcL...yTlU&usp=sharing]]>
WG 6 (cities) Sun, 19 Jan 2014 00:31:26 +0000