SuSanA - Forum Kunena Site Syndication http://forum.susana.org/ Wed, 27 Aug 2014 15:00:44 +0000 Kunena 1.6 http://forum.susana.org/components/com_kunena/template/default/images/icons/rss.png SuSanA - Forum http://forum.susana.org/ en-gb Re: Festival toilets - by: Pootopia http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/52-mobile-or-portable-solutions-public-toilets/3557-festival-toilets-in-europe-great-britain-france-germany-?limit=12&start=12#9871 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/52-mobile-or-portable-solutions-public-toilets/3557-festival-toilets-in-europe-great-britain-france-germany-?limit=12&start=12#9871 The Environment Agency in UK took three years to give me the permit to do what we do. They in fact created a special document explicitly for us as there was no precedent for them to rule on. We gained approval in 2011 after three years of operation on the UK. The EA had full knowledge of what we were doing in that time and actually told us they would 'unofficially' allow us to do it until the paper work came through. The EA is not the fastest org in the world however they allowed us 'retro fit ' our practices to the new ruling. We are very proud of leading the pack in the UK and have taken this to new levels with over 1000 composting loos at Glastonbury in 2014.

We also have our brand new super flat packing loos that can fit 180 in a 40 ft container. These new loos can be set up with no or minimal tools at a rate of 20 per hour for a three to four person team..

We are always moving in terms of scale and so we have already developed a system to deal with large scale mass deposits. Our next development will be in line filters using bio char and reed beds for in situ liquid use.

2015 will see us across Europe in Germany, France, Croatia, POland and Malta! viva la revolootion.

cheers,

Hamish Skermer]]>
Mobile or portable solutions, public toilets Mon, 25 Aug 2014 08:48:06 +0000
Re: Festival toilets - by: SusannahSoilet http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/52-mobile-or-portable-solutions-public-toilets/3557-festival-toilets-in-europe-great-britain-france-germany-?limit=12&start=12#9802 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/52-mobile-or-portable-solutions-public-toilets/3557-festival-toilets-in-europe-great-britain-france-germany-?limit=12&start=12#9802
Good to see you are working with Hamish who we had the pleasure of meeting for an evening a few years ago.

Are the German authorities permitting the vermicomposted waste from the Natural Event installations to be used on agricultural land? And if so, after what time scale and subject to any checks for pathogens?

As I recall, Hamish had clearance as to the safety of the system from the regulatory authorities in Victoria, Aus, but was facing obstacles from the UK/ EU ones. I would be delighted to learn that these had been overcome!

Susi Batstone]]>
Mobile or portable solutions, public toilets Tue, 19 Aug 2014 18:23:20 +0000
Re: Festival toilets - by: ennoschroeder http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/52-mobile-or-portable-solutions-public-toilets/3557-festival-toilets-in-europe-great-britain-france-germany-?limit=12&start=12#9799 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/52-mobile-or-portable-solutions-public-toilets/3557-festival-toilets-in-europe-great-britain-france-germany-?limit=12&start=12#9799 I just want to add to your (Jürgen) initial question of this thread that since this year there is another start-up getting active in mobile composting loos on festivals - Natural Event Germany.
The name tells it: We are connected with Hamish Skermer's Natural Event and use the same toilet design.
Our concept is simple: Give people good and sustainable toilets and mix this with humour, art, music and education/awareness raising.
Despite being our first season we were able to be present on various events and festivals (e.g. Altonale, Habitat, M'era Luna, Highfield, Dockville and Freifeld) - and it is just amazing how good the feedback from both the users and organisers is - we did not anticipate this.
However, there is still quite some work to do in terms of convincing festival organisers to move away from the accepted state of the art = stinky portable loo.

If you are interested to see what we are doing please visit www.facebook.com/naturaleventdeutschland

There is also another thing which I would like to communicate here:

We are currently taking part in the SOCIAL IMPACT START AWARD 2014 - an award for Social Start-Ups where we can win 5.000 € for the further development of our project.
Since we are the only toilet guys in this competition we would really like to show people how attractive sanitation can be So, if you like, vote for us: www.facebook.com/socialimpact.by.iqconsu...=app_515720611858523

All the best!
Cheers,
Enno]]>
Mobile or portable solutions, public toilets Tue, 19 Aug 2014 18:03:02 +0000
Mobile Luxury Loos - Loowatt Demonstrates the New Loowatt Event System at Latitude Festival 2014 (Great Britain) - by: vgardiner http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/52-mobile-or-portable-solutions-public-toilets/9493-mobile-luxury-loos-loowatt-demonstrates-the-new-loowatt-event-system-at-latitude-festival-2014-great-britain#9493 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/52-mobile-or-portable-solutions-public-toilets/9493-mobile-luxury-loos-loowatt-demonstrates-the-new-loowatt-event-system-at-latitude-festival-2014-great-britain#9493
Loowatt demonstrated the Loowatt Event System, a mobile off-grid, energy-generating luxury loo system, at Latitude Festival 17-20 July, 2014 in Henham Park, Suffolk. We were really excited to tell the public about our waterless, chemical-free luxury loos. To read more about the toilet system, please visit our website.




Excited festival-goers from around the world attended the family friendly and environmentally-conscious event.


The Loo Unit offers a clean, well-appointed interior including mirrors, porcelain sinks and LED lighting and is equipped with luxury soap and lotion.


We had customers queuing to experience the Loowatt Event System for free. The children especially loved our unique waterless “flushing” mechanism.


We estimate we saved around 8,000 liters of water during the festival. The Loowatt luxury loo is 100% waterless, using biodegradable liner to package the waste.


The Loowatt team was onsite nearby to answer any questions and to keep the toilets pristine.


Customers were impressed by the clean, odourless, and luxury experience. Read some of their testimonials below:

‘This is the best and most well conceived and executed idea and solution I have come across for a very long time. Clean, comfortable, innovative + well made = marvelous.’ – Geoffrey

‘Great! (There is) no smell of anything. Was lovely being in a sealed ‘cocoon’ & in a world of your own for a couple of minutes, much as I love being at this festival.’ – Phillipa

‘What a pleasant experience to have at a festival! Lovely clean toilets and such a unique system. Perfect for large events and after speaking to the representative – perfect for disaster areas where clean sanitation facilities are essential.’—Mhorag

Are you looking for off-grid luxury loos for your event or festival? Please contact us. We would love to hear from you.]]>
Mobile or portable solutions, public toilets Fri, 25 Jul 2014 14:09:55 +0000
Re: Fresh Life Toilet in Kenyan slums - improved urine-diverting squatting plate (Sanergy in Nairobi, Kenya) - by: elizabethtilley http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/52-mobile-or-portable-solutions-public-toilets/8635-fresh-life-toilet-in-kenyan-slums-improved-urine-diverting-squatting-plate-sanergy-in-nairobi-kenya#9343 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/52-mobile-or-portable-solutions-public-toilets/8635-fresh-life-toilet-in-kenyan-slums-improved-urine-diverting-squatting-plate-sanergy-in-nairobi-kenya#9343
I should have been more clear in saying that I am NOT trying to offset the costs with any sort of recovered value, but am rather looking into ways in which the costs are feasible, fair, and acceptable to all members of the system.

It wasn't correct of me to say "very few ways" because actually, in my particular context, there are "no ways". More correct would have been to say that I have not found any ways to make the system cost neutral, and very few ways to optimize the payments between the customers and providers, such that we can maximize use and minimize operating costs.

I will definitely keep you posted once my results are ready to share!

Elizabeth]]>
Mobile or portable solutions, public toilets Mon, 14 Jul 2014 11:53:12 +0000
Re: Fresh Life Toilet in Kenyan slums - improved urine-diverting squatting plate (Sanergy in Nairobi, Kenya) - by: Juergen http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/52-mobile-or-portable-solutions-public-toilets/8635-fresh-life-toilet-in-kenyan-slums-improved-urine-diverting-squatting-plate-sanergy-in-nairobi-kenya#9341 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/52-mobile-or-portable-solutions-public-toilets/8635-fresh-life-toilet-in-kenyan-slums-improved-urine-diverting-squatting-plate-sanergy-in-nairobi-kenya#9341
with regard to the increase in prices for "P", a look onto charts for the last decades and price development does not show an abnormal increase in these prices; rather, speculation spin-offs might play a bit, as with other raw materials.

www.indexmundi.com/de/rohstoffpreise/?wa...sphat&monate=240

unveils a bit of reality as opposed to hopes one might have for alternative sources for phosphate. The chart linked-in above displays prices for Moroccan raw material. A geologist's point of view: Morocco is leading exporter for phosphate, but not the only one. Significant resources can be found, e.g., in Spain and some other (north) African countries.

We should remain realistic with expectations, please. Collecting, transporting, processing and using urine in agriculture will, for the foreseeable future, remain dependent on low wages and low income in remote areas in -for the processing purpose- climatically appropriate regions.

Best regards,

Jürgen]]>
Mobile or portable solutions, public toilets Mon, 14 Jul 2014 10:48:08 +0000
Re: Fresh Life Toilet in Kenyan slums - improved urine-diverting squatting plate (Sanergy in Nairobi, Kenya) - by: muench http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/52-mobile-or-portable-solutions-public-toilets/8635-fresh-life-toilet-in-kenyan-slums-improved-urine-diverting-squatting-plate-sanergy-in-nairobi-kenya#9312 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/52-mobile-or-portable-solutions-public-toilets/8635-fresh-life-toilet-in-kenyan-slums-improved-urine-diverting-squatting-plate-sanergy-in-nairobi-kenya#9312
You raised some very pertinent questions in you post on 20 May 2014. From the answer by David I draw my own conclusion that there is no full cost-recovery with the Sanergy model in Kenya yet. It is on the one hand a bit disappointing but on the other hand not surprising, i.e. why should they be the only one worldwide who have found a way to make sanitation provision for the urban poor be able to support itself, solely based on fees, and without any government subsidies (or, in their case, external donor support or some other form of long-term investment)? I think it is simply not possible and need not necessarily be our aim either, as we are talking here about a public good - sanitation, public health (just like education).

You wrote:
I've been doing some modelling for my own research about how a urine collection and transport system can be sustainable and regardless of the scenarios (that I run) I find very few ways in which the income exceeds the costs (especially considering increasing labour and fuel prices).


What are actually these "very few ways"? I asume things like the scenario that fertiliser (phosphorus) prices go up a lot compared to now? That's actually the only one I can think of right now.

(Related thread to this is the VUNA project thread:
forum.susana.org/forum/categories/98-res...12&start=12#7350)

Oh and there was also a post by Kris on Smart Sanitation Subsidies which nobody has picked up on yet:
forum.susana.org/forum/categories/142-up...ation-subsidies#9033

Kind regards,
Elisabeth]]>
Mobile or portable solutions, public toilets Fri, 11 Jul 2014 08:57:13 +0000
Re: Open discussion on MOSAN toilet design - by: JKMakowka http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/52-mobile-or-portable-solutions-public-toilets/4710-piloting-mobile-sanitation-with-full-service-provision-mosan-now-in-kenya?limit=12&start=12#9046 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/52-mobile-or-portable-solutions-public-toilets/4710-piloting-mobile-sanitation-with-full-service-provision-mosan-now-in-kenya?limit=12&start=12#9046 practicalaction.org/blog/news/safer-citi...sanitation-projects/

I doubt one could move a 200kg loaded rickshaw with all the hills (and badly maintained road-sides) here in Kampala though. Never the less, cheap and convenient transport is probably the missing link for a full sanitation service provision chain.]]>
Mobile or portable solutions, public toilets Tue, 24 Jun 2014 06:57:11 +0000
Re: Fresh Life Toilet in Kenyan slums - improved urine-diverting squatting plate (Sanergy in Nairobi, Kenya) - by: elizabethtilley http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/52-mobile-or-portable-solutions-public-toilets/8635-fresh-life-toilet-in-kenyan-slums-improved-urine-diverting-squatting-plate-sanergy-in-nairobi-kenya#8863 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/52-mobile-or-portable-solutions-public-toilets/8635-fresh-life-toilet-in-kenyan-slums-improved-urine-diverting-squatting-plate-sanergy-in-nairobi-kenya#8863
I can totally understand: I've written to you directly and look forward to learning about whatever results you are able to share at this time.

Best,

Elizabeth]]>
Mobile or portable solutions, public toilets Wed, 04 Jun 2014 08:10:07 +0000
Re: Fresh Life Toilet in Kenyan slums - improved urine-diverting squatting plate (Sanergy in Nairobi, Kenya) - by: Sanergy http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/52-mobile-or-portable-solutions-public-toilets/8635-fresh-life-toilet-in-kenyan-slums-improved-urine-diverting-squatting-plate-sanergy-in-nairobi-kenya#8755 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/52-mobile-or-portable-solutions-public-toilets/8635-fresh-life-toilet-in-kenyan-slums-improved-urine-diverting-squatting-plate-sanergy-in-nairobi-kenya#8755
Thanks for your email. We're in good touch with your team at EAWAG and would very much like to continue the conversation offline with you.

Thanks!

David]]>
Mobile or portable solutions, public toilets Wed, 28 May 2014 08:59:32 +0000
Re: Fresh Life Toilet in Kenyan slums - improved urine-diverting squatting plate (Sanergy in Nairobi, Kenya) - by: elizabethtilley http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/52-mobile-or-portable-solutions-public-toilets/8635-fresh-life-toilet-in-kenyan-slums-improved-urine-diverting-squatting-plate-sanergy-in-nairobi-kenya#8675 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/52-mobile-or-portable-solutions-public-toilets/8635-fresh-life-toilet-in-kenyan-slums-improved-urine-diverting-squatting-plate-sanergy-in-nairobi-kenya#8675
I've been doing some modelling for my own research about how a urine collection and transport system can be sustainable and regardless of the scenarios (that I run) I find very few ways in which the income exceeds the costs (especially considering increasing labour and fuel prices). (A brief summary is available on the VUNA website: www.vuna.ch)

I would be so grateful to find out more about the breakdown of your (Sanergy) costs (labour, transport, manufacturing) and how you cover those, in terms of franchise fees, nutrient sales, etc. If you're not operating at a cost-recovering point yet, but see that as the goal, how long do you think it will take to get there (measured in terms of toilets or nutrient volume, etc.)?

Many thanks!

Elizabeth]]>
Mobile or portable solutions, public toilets Tue, 20 May 2014 10:25:08 +0000
Re: Fresh Life Toilet in Kenyan slums - improved urine-diverting squatting plate (Sanergy in Nairobi, Kenya) - by: Sanergy http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/52-mobile-or-portable-solutions-public-toilets/8635-fresh-life-toilet-in-kenyan-slums-improved-urine-diverting-squatting-plate-sanergy-in-nairobi-kenya#8655 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/52-mobile-or-portable-solutions-public-toilets/8635-fresh-life-toilet-in-kenyan-slums-improved-urine-diverting-squatting-plate-sanergy-in-nairobi-kenya#8655
Thanks for the thoughtful piece on our new Fresh Life Toilet design. We appreciate the spotlight as well as the analysis of our work.

One point that we would like to clarify in response to the comment, "One disadvantage is that due to the production process (heat moulding if I remember correctly), the squatting plate now has to consist of two parts (because the urine section is so deep), which means they are joined, and that joint could be a weak spot in terms of urine stone deposits and clearning issues (my personal guess)."

While there are two parts to the squatting plate, the joint which connects the two parts is a shingle joint, which easily allows for liquid to flow over both parts.

However, as we have only in the last 6 weeks put the new design into circulation, it is still too early to tell about the exact wear and tear that the design will take.

Regards,
David Auerbach]]>
Mobile or portable solutions, public toilets Mon, 19 May 2014 09:22:08 +0000
Fresh Life Toilet in Kenyan slums - improved urine-diverting squatting plate (Sanergy in Nairobi, Kenya) - by: muench http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/52-mobile-or-portable-solutions-public-toilets/8635-fresh-life-toilet-in-kenyan-slums-improved-urine-diverting-squatting-plate-sanergy-in-nairobi-kenya#8635 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/52-mobile-or-portable-solutions-public-toilets/8635-fresh-life-toilet-in-kenyan-slums-improved-urine-diverting-squatting-plate-sanergy-in-nairobi-kenya#8635
Many of you have heard of Sanergy, the impressive social business venture serving an ever-growing number of people in low-income areas in Nairobi, Kenya (also present here on the forum: forum.susana.org/forum/categories/52-mob...ry-loo-user-and-kiva).

Whilst they are not yet a grantee of the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, they are an important partner for the BMGF because quite a few of the other grantees are using Sanergy as a full-size testing ground (or "real life lab") for their R&D work. One example is The Climate Foundation with their pyrolysis reactor, see here:
forum.susana.org/forum/categories/98-res...-usa-and-kenya#8628.

For that reason, Sanergy was also invited to exhibit at the Reinvent the Toilet Fair in Delhi, India, in March 2014.

Here you can find some photos that I took from their exhibit:
www.flickr.com/photos/gtzecosan/sets/72157644699243384/

I had the pleasure of interviewing one of Sanergy's co-founders, David Auerbach. The focus of our conversation was their newly designed urine-diverting squatting plate - which simply looks awesome, see for yourself here in the photos and two videos:

Fresh Life urine-diverting squat plate by Sustainable sanitation, on Flickr

Urine-diverting and splash-reducing squat plate by Sustainable sanitation, on Flickr

See the interview with David Auerbach here (focussing on the new squat plate that they exhibited):



The second part of the interview, which describes the Sanergy approach and business model, as well as their collaborations with other grantees is available here:



The improved squatting plate has the following benefits:
  • Less splashing due to a "fin" which is also used in urinals, and due to a deeper urinal section.
  • Urine hole and faeces hole are closer together on a horizontal level, so that less horizontal shifting of the user is needed when they are doing both, one after the other (i.e. urination and defecation).

One disadvantage is that due to the production process (heat moulding if I remember correctly), the squatting plate now has to consist of two parts (because the urine section is so deep), which means they are joined, and that joint could be a weak spot in terms of urine stone deposits and clearning issues (my personal guess).

You can barely see that joint on this photo, almost at the very base of the deep urinal section:

Fresh Life urine-diverting squat plate by Sustainable sanitation, on Flickr

Questions and comments are welcome, I am sure that David or one of his team members will be happy to answer them here on the forum.

Kind regards,
Elisabeth

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Some further information about Sanergy's current work:

Some more information from a recent blog post of Sanergy:

A Fresh New Look for the Fresh Life Toilet
saner.gy/archives/4592

An excerpt of their recent blog post:

Through a partnership with MCAD Technologies and Dassault Systèmes SolidWorks Corporation, a computer-aided design software company, Mike was able to bring the new Fresh Life Toilet to life through 3D modeling, structural simulation of parts, as well as renderings and manufacturing drawings to communicate designs with vendors and field experts.

During initial user testing it was very clear that women were subjected to splash-back when they used the toilet. The new urine-diverting squat plate has a unique form with a deep urine bowl and a splash-eliminating ‘fin’. The squat plate is made from a hard and glossy plastic that is easy to clean and lasts longer than previous squat plate designs.


From the Technical Guides of the Fair
(www.susana.org/lang-en/library?view=ccbk...p;type=2&id=2001):

Here you see Sanergy's cooperations with other grantees:



Key information:



Fresh Life Toilet

In African slums, Fresh Life makes hygienic sanitation
accessible and affordable for everyone, forever. We
franchise a dense sanitation network of clean toilets,
collect the waste, and convert it into valuable byproducts.
As of January 2014, 12,000 residents in
Nairobi’s slums are using Fresh Life Toilets every day
with a projected 200,000 in 5 years. Sanergy’s franchising
creates financial opportunity while solving a critical
social and environmental challenge.

Toilet Design

The Fresh Life Toilet is based on a continuous customer
feedback loop and related user research suggests that
a clean, comfortable and friendly sanitation experience
dramatically increases uptake. The Fresh Life Toilet
delivers an enjoyable experience by leveraging features
such as an easily cleaned tile floor and an ergonomic
splash reducing squat plate for women, men, and
children. A durable concrete modular construction,
coupled with powerful community-driven branding –
in partnership with Wash United - makes Fresh Life
preferred sanitation option for all slum residents.
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Mobile or portable solutions, public toilets Fri, 16 May 2014 14:01:30 +0000
Re: Mobile toilet in Ghana (WSUP), the Clean Team (and faecal sludge management) - by: AParker http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/52-mobile-or-portable-solutions-public-toilets/4040-mobile-toilet-in-ghana-wsup-the-clean-team-and-faecal-sludge-management?limit=12&start=12#8607 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/52-mobile-or-portable-solutions-public-toilets/4040-mobile-toilet-in-ghana-wsup-the-clean-team-and-faecal-sludge-management?limit=12&start=12#8607
www.wsup.com/2014/05/12/the-kumasi-smell...rt-and-installation/]]>
Mobile or portable solutions, public toilets Tue, 13 May 2014 17:16:58 +0000
Re: Mobile toilet in Ghana (WSUP), the Clean Team (and faecal sludge management) - by: AParker http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/52-mobile-or-portable-solutions-public-toilets/4040-mobile-toilet-in-ghana-wsup-the-clean-team-and-faecal-sludge-management?limit=12&start=12#8504 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/52-mobile-or-portable-solutions-public-toilets/4040-mobile-toilet-in-ghana-wsup-the-clean-team-and-faecal-sludge-management?limit=12&start=12#8504
A couple of things to clarify - I don't work for or represent Clean Team. However, Cranfield University has been contracted by WSUP (who were involved in founding Clean Team) to investigate options for treating Clean Team's waste. There should be a blog post about this research appearing on the WSUP website soon.

We'll start our field trials in July (hopefully) so after that we'll have an idea about how biological systems handle the "blue liquid".

We're not responsible for any changes to the "blue liquid" but I'll point the relevant staff in Clean Team to this thread to read your suggestions.

Alison]]>
Mobile or portable solutions, public toilets Wed, 07 May 2014 08:24:36 +0000