SuSanA - Forum Kunena Site Syndication http://forum.susana.org/ Tue, 21 Feb 2017 03:03:33 +0000 Kunena 1.6 http://forum.susana.org/components/com_kunena/template/default/images/icons/rss.png SuSanA - Forum http://forum.susana.org/ en-gb Re: Bill Gates blog posts: This Ingenious Machine Turns Feces Into Drinking Water (Omni-processor by Janicki to process sludge) - now in Dakar, Senegal - by: sjoerdnienhuys http://forum.susana.org/component/kunena/40-greywater-blackwater-or-wastewater-reuse-irrigation/19941-wastewater-recycling-eg-shower-water-90-watersaving-upcycle-shower-upfallshower#20010 http://forum.susana.org/component/kunena/40-greywater-blackwater-or-wastewater-reuse-irrigation/19941-wastewater-recycling-eg-shower-water-90-watersaving-upcycle-shower-upfallshower#20010 The company forgot to build a heat recovery system in the drain, so combining the two systems does hardly save energy or water when used as a shower for washing.
The idea is interesting, but needs to be worked out for the washing shower as well.]]>
Greywater, blackwater or wastewater reuse, irrigation Sun, 08 Jan 2017 08:53:59 +0000
Re: Bill Gates blog posts: This Ingenious Machine Turns Feces Into Drinking Water (Omni-processor by Janicki to process sludge) - now in Dakar, Senegal - by: clint http://forum.susana.org/component/kunena/40-greywater-blackwater-or-wastewater-reuse-irrigation/19941-wastewater-recycling-eg-shower-water-90-watersaving-upcycle-shower-upfallshower#20007 http://forum.susana.org/component/kunena/40-greywater-blackwater-or-wastewater-reuse-irrigation/19941-wastewater-recycling-eg-shower-water-90-watersaving-upcycle-shower-upfallshower#20007
It actually gave me a boost in finding a solution for the concrete shower I have in the casa I am renting. I can plug up the drain and suck that water into my greywater system and then through the RO and Silecte disinfection again and back in reuse again without having to deal with the drainage plumbing!

Thanks for the Help!

The Rain Man]]>
Greywater, blackwater or wastewater reuse, irrigation Sun, 08 Jan 2017 01:31:44 +0000
Re: Bill Gates blog posts: This Ingenious Machine Turns Feces Into Drinking Water (Omni-processor by Janicki to process sludge) - now in Dakar, Senegal - by: sjoerdnienhuys http://forum.susana.org/component/kunena/40-greywater-blackwater-or-wastewater-reuse-irrigation/19941-wastewater-recycling-eg-shower-water-90-watersaving-upcycle-shower-upfallshower#20001 http://forum.susana.org/component/kunena/40-greywater-blackwater-or-wastewater-reuse-irrigation/19941-wastewater-recycling-eg-shower-water-90-watersaving-upcycle-shower-upfallshower#20001 I investigated the Upfallshower further, and came to the conclusion that is a luxory gadget to create a wellness feeling, that can only be used after you have used the common shower to wash yourself and rinse off the soap etc.
I therefore suggest that this upfall item is removed from this forum.
Sorry for starting it.]]>
Greywater, blackwater or wastewater reuse, irrigation Sat, 07 Jan 2017 10:12:31 +0000
Re: Bill Gates blog posts: This Ingenious Machine Turns Feces Into Drinking Water (Omni-processor by Janicki to process sludge) - now in Dakar, Senegal - by: sjoerdnienhuys http://forum.susana.org/component/kunena/40-greywater-blackwater-or-wastewater-reuse-irrigation/19941-wastewater-recycling-eg-shower-water-90-watersaving-upcycle-shower-upfallshower#19953 http://forum.susana.org/component/kunena/40-greywater-blackwater-or-wastewater-reuse-irrigation/19941-wastewater-recycling-eg-shower-water-90-watersaving-upcycle-shower-upfallshower#19953 The positive point is that the KIWA, the national institute that controls water quality, has certifies the apparatus for these showers.
I think an important issue is that it is only the reuse of your own shower water. According to the manufacturer, when you pee in the shower, the reuse remains safe.
My suggestion is to take up contact with the manufacturer. See the address in the earlier post. I have no commercial interest in this matter; I was only mentioning the important water (and energy) saving aspects.
Because so much water is wasted, the sewerage becomes very liquid and increase the processing costs.]]>
Greywater, blackwater or wastewater reuse, irrigation Mon, 02 Jan 2017 09:46:18 +0000
Re: Bill Gates blog posts: This Ingenious Machine Turns Feces Into Drinking Water (Omni-processor by Janicki to process sludge) - now in Dakar, Senegal - by: clint http://forum.susana.org/component/kunena/40-greywater-blackwater-or-wastewater-reuse-irrigation/19941-wastewater-recycling-eg-shower-water-90-watersaving-upcycle-shower-upfallshower#19946 http://forum.susana.org/component/kunena/40-greywater-blackwater-or-wastewater-reuse-irrigation/19941-wastewater-recycling-eg-shower-water-90-watersaving-upcycle-shower-upfallshower#19946
I reviewed the Upfallshower website and I would not shower in a system that relies on UV for disinfection and whatever filters for filtering out everything that can happen in a shower. UV is not the panacea of disinfection, ozone is total disinfection!

And filtration of what kind of water in the first place. City, well, rain, reverse osmosis!! Too many variables and who maintains the UV and the filters and how often? What kind of filters, sediment, what micron, carbon, what gets the soap out? How? Lots of TDS in soap!!

When we utilize all of our systems, to include aerobic, ozone, settling, RO and quantum disinfection we recover 100% with less problem areas and a lot more assurance.

Just another pretty picture of a new idea at a Trade Show with no history!!]]>
Greywater, blackwater or wastewater reuse, irrigation Sun, 01 Jan 2017 20:37:55 +0000
Re: Bill Gates blog posts: This Ingenious Machine Turns Feces Into Drinking Water (Omni-processor by Janicki to process sludge) - now in Dakar, Senegal - by: sjoerdnienhuys http://forum.susana.org/component/kunena/40-greywater-blackwater-or-wastewater-reuse-irrigation/19941-wastewater-recycling-eg-shower-water-90-watersaving-upcycle-shower-upfallshower#19945 http://forum.susana.org/component/kunena/40-greywater-blackwater-or-wastewater-reuse-irrigation/19941-wastewater-recycling-eg-shower-water-90-watersaving-upcycle-shower-upfallshower#19945 It is not recycling after draining, but it is direct reuse the same shower water, after it has been filtered and UV treated. This way only 10% is drained and only 10% new/fresh water is needed to continue the showering process.
That 10 % becomes ordinary waste water and can be conventionally recycled.
It has been observed in Brasil, that the changing habit of now taking long showers is affecting negatively the municipal capacity to supply the required massive amounts of water. Shower water is with laundry water the main consumption.
The new Upfallshower technology appears to be very interesting for all desert type countries.
The new technology is applied now by the Upfallshower, as posted under the resource recovery topic.]]>
Greywater, blackwater or wastewater reuse, irrigation Sun, 01 Jan 2017 17:12:17 +0000
Re: Bill Gates blog posts: This Ingenious Machine Turns Feces Into Drinking Water (Omni-processor by Janicki to process sludge) - now in Dakar, Senegal - by: sjoerdnienhuys http://forum.susana.org/component/kunena/40-greywater-blackwater-or-wastewater-reuse-irrigation/19941-wastewater-recycling-eg-shower-water-90-watersaving-upcycle-shower-upfallshower#19944 http://forum.susana.org/component/kunena/40-greywater-blackwater-or-wastewater-reuse-irrigation/19941-wastewater-recycling-eg-shower-water-90-watersaving-upcycle-shower-upfallshower#19944 The mechanical sewerage purification systems work best with a higher solids percentage. This can be achieved by separating urine from feaces, dry toilets and two-volume flush systems, but foremost by recycling showers.]]> Greywater, blackwater or wastewater reuse, irrigation Sun, 01 Jan 2017 14:04:55 +0000 Re: Bill Gates blog posts: This Ingenious Machine Turns Feces Into Drinking Water (Omni-processor by Janicki to process sludge) - now in Dakar, Senegal - by: clint http://forum.susana.org/component/kunena/40-greywater-blackwater-or-wastewater-reuse-irrigation/19941-wastewater-recycling-eg-shower-water-90-watersaving-upcycle-shower-upfallshower#19943 http://forum.susana.org/component/kunena/40-greywater-blackwater-or-wastewater-reuse-irrigation/19941-wastewater-recycling-eg-shower-water-90-watersaving-upcycle-shower-upfallshower#19943
The Chief engineer explained that ALL of the toilet and organic resources were plumbed to the "Bio-Matter Resequencing Converter" (BMRC), where utilizing some form of transformation were converted into reusable resources to be recycled on board the "Enterprise".

Without any further explanation it was quite obvious that the plumbing on board future spaceships was SEPARATED and that the Toilet Stuff and the Organic Stuff went to one technological processor and the remaining "Greywater" from ALL other wastewater (resource water) sources (to include the small amount from showers, a dirtier amount from the kitchen and a larger amount from the laundry) were all processed and recycled onboard in a separate methodology.

Our technology has two pipes. Toilets and the kitchen garbage disposal, utilizing less that .2 of a gallon of water per flush including the garbage disposal, utilizing one pipe are plumbed to the Bio-Matter Resequencing Converter (BMRC), which in our case is 4' h x 4' l x 8' w for a normal family of 4 - 5 persons.

Once we start utilizing such technologies in space I am quite sure the overall size will be reduced and will accommodate many more souls onboard.

Our second pipe collects ALL greywater (even though Colorado and some engineers think the BOD is to high to be able to treat sufficiently, but they are wrong) and treats it utilizing extend aeration with ozone first, second the settling of the now sterilized water and remaining hydrocarbons and then processes it with the 1:1 reverse osmosis generation greywater filtration technology. The permeate we further process in the newly invented Quantum Electron Disinfection system to insure total destruction of any other potential bad stuff that might make a person ill.

Even though most RO people discharge the concentrate we redirect it back to the beginning of the process and milk as much permeate out of the water again to achieve a 90% recovery of ALL of the greywater. Even though the 10% is now high in TDS (over 2,000) it is still usable for other purposes, such as flushing the .2 gallon per flush toilets.

Even though this spaceship technology would utilize a communal approach to solving a human existence need in space, it is our FIRM belief that on Earth it is mathematically, environmentally and economically more efficient and effective to have multiple systems (individual homes and/or businesses, communal shower houses with multiple systems, etc.) than trying to have everyone line up to one HUGE thing and then try to deal with all of the different introductions of whatever into it.

Recycling shower water is easy, but there is not much of it. Laundry water is significant and is also quite easy to recycle. When you get to the kitchen sink and the dishwasher things get a little more intense, BUT the dilution factor of combining ALL greywater offsets the assumption that the BOD in the kitchen cannot be effectively treated as greywater.

Colorado is incorrect in their assumptions and maybe should research some of our greywater test data from Olmsted County, Rochester, MN over 20 years ago without even utilizing ozone then.

Even though most of you do not have experience with ozone, I would suggest that the use of inexpensively produced and controlled ozone will solve many more health and water born issues than UV and any chemicals can even think about.]]>
Greywater, blackwater or wastewater reuse, irrigation Sun, 01 Jan 2017 13:58:44 +0000
Wastewater recycling, e.g. shower water - 90% watersaving, upcycle shower, Upfallshower - by: sjoerdnienhuys http://forum.susana.org/component/kunena/40-greywater-blackwater-or-wastewater-reuse-irrigation/19941-wastewater-recycling-eg-shower-water-90-watersaving-upcycle-shower-upfallshower#19941 http://forum.susana.org/component/kunena/40-greywater-blackwater-or-wastewater-reuse-irrigation/19941-wastewater-recycling-eg-shower-water-90-watersaving-upcycle-shower-upfallshower#19941 Note by moderator: This post was initially in this thread about the Omni-processor in Dakar: forum.susana.org/component/kunena/53-fae...now-in-dakar-senegal
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The omniprocessor is certainly an interesting apparatus, but it does what nature does naturally, requiring much more space and time.
When minimizing the equipment it can be installed in spaceships, or this is actually a large scale machine version for what is already in the space station.
I feel that the topic can be also posted under the resource recovery and recycling.
Another resource loss is shower water. With simple equipment over 90% of shower water can be recycled. This will substantially reduce the demand for water and the amount of wasted water and drained away heat when warm water is used.
See the relevant posting on the resource recovery topic. (forum.susana.org/component/kunena/40-gre...-shower-upfallshower)
Also here the problems will be: what does it cost?, how can it be replicative in large numbers? Can it be used in schools to improve hygiene?.]]>
Greywater, blackwater or wastewater reuse, irrigation Sun, 01 Jan 2017 10:47:13 +0000
90% watersaving, upcycle shower, Upfallshower - by: sjoerdnienhuys http://forum.susana.org/component/kunena/40-greywater-blackwater-or-wastewater-reuse-irrigation/19941-wastewater-recycling-eg-shower-water-90-watersaving-upcycle-shower-upfallshower#19790 http://forum.susana.org/component/kunena/40-greywater-blackwater-or-wastewater-reuse-irrigation/19941-wastewater-recycling-eg-shower-water-90-watersaving-upcycle-shower-upfallshower#19790 To combat water and heat wastage showerwater can be recycled when filtered. 200 years ago the first showers also had a recycling pump. The system has been improved with filters and UV water treatment, wasting only 10% of the shower water. The 10% new water is hot water to keep the water temperature warm. This Upfallshower recycles 90% of the water, thus saving 90% of the water and energy requirements.
For tropical countries only a cold watersystem can be made.
I am installing a warm shower type in my house.
For more information see attachment with English language explanation: www.upfallshower.com/en/ and
www.upfallshower.com/en/duurzaam-douchen...r-met-upfall-shower/]]>
Greywater, blackwater or wastewater reuse, irrigation Fri, 09 Dec 2016 11:40:00 +0000
Re: Greywater Reuse for Irrigation Purposes - by: clint http://forum.susana.org/component/kunena/40-greywater-blackwater-or-wastewater-reuse-irrigation/19172-greywater-reuse-for-irrigation-purposes#19202 http://forum.susana.org/component/kunena/40-greywater-blackwater-or-wastewater-reuse-irrigation/19172-greywater-reuse-for-irrigation-purposes#19202
Having worked with aerobic treatment of greywater for over 45 years I would recommend that you utilize at least a three chambered septic type tank or three separate tanks connected in series.

With minimal energy the first two chambers and/or tanks are aerated to immediately provide oxygen to the "Good" Guys, the aerobic ones!

By installing plumbing T's, in our case 2", at each interior effluent port, the fats and grease that floats remains in the tank to be eaten up by the "Good" Guys, and the heavy stuff settles to the bottom for easy removal with a bottom discharge for maintenance, in our tanks, or pipe installed to suck those settleable solids out to be further composted in a separate composting system for total resource recovery.

Google AlasCan and Equaris Corporation and you will find drawings of our greywater patented technologies if you wish to utilize a system that has proven its performance under Arctic and Caribbean conditions.

If you really want to get into it, think about ozone and reverse osmosis and total reuse of the greywater to drinking water qualities and then utilize the RO concentrate to irrigate and/or flush water consuming toilets.

El Hombre de La Lluvia

A basic septic tank works or even on a residential level three plastic 30 gallon or larger tanks connected in series.]]>
Greywater, blackwater or wastewater reuse, irrigation Sun, 02 Oct 2016 13:27:19 +0000
Re: Greywater Reuse for Irrigation Purposes - by: canaday http://forum.susana.org/component/kunena/40-greywater-blackwater-or-wastewater-reuse-irrigation/19172-greywater-reuse-for-irrigation-purposes#19185 http://forum.susana.org/component/kunena/40-greywater-blackwater-or-wastewater-reuse-irrigation/19172-greywater-reuse-for-irrigation-purposes#19185
This is an important issue, but we need to know more about the situation. What country is it? What is the climate? What crops are being grown?

At first glance, it seems the greywater could first pass through an Anaerobic Baffled Reactor (ABR) to separate solids, grease, and maybe even biogas. Next, if food crops that are eaten raw are to be irrigated, I would put the greywater through some sort of Vegetated Sand Filter (= Constructed Wetland, Phytoremediation) to control the pathogens and produce fodder for animals and potentially other useful products.

Please post more information on the case in question.

Best wishes,
Chris Canaday]]>
Greywater, blackwater or wastewater reuse, irrigation Thu, 29 Sep 2016 13:01:41 +0000
Greywater Reuse for Irrigation Purposes - by: MarinaAndj http://forum.susana.org/component/kunena/40-greywater-blackwater-or-wastewater-reuse-irrigation/19172-greywater-reuse-for-irrigation-purposes#19172 http://forum.susana.org/component/kunena/40-greywater-blackwater-or-wastewater-reuse-irrigation/19172-greywater-reuse-for-irrigation-purposes#19172
In our ​project area, ​we are ​generating 35 ​MLD greywater ​daily. ​

What is the ​best technology ​available to ​treat greywater ​and reuse for ​irrigation ​purposes? ​

I would like ​to know the ​feasibility of ​these ​technologies, ​as well as ​economical ​details.
Please share ​your case experiences and ​treatment ​details. ​

Thank you!

Originally posted on The Water Network: bit.ly/2drx7IW]]>
Greywater, blackwater or wastewater reuse, irrigation Wed, 28 Sep 2016 14:07:57 +0000
Re: California is considering Toilet-to-Tap and we can comment on the process - by: canaday http://forum.susana.org/component/kunena/40-greywater-blackwater-or-wastewater-reuse-irrigation/18984-california-is-considering-toilet-to-tap-and-we-can-comment-on-the-process#19151 http://forum.susana.org/component/kunena/40-greywater-blackwater-or-wastewater-reuse-irrigation/18984-california-is-considering-toilet-to-tap-and-we-can-comment-on-the-process#19151
Here are my comments on the draft document entitled,

INVESTIGATION ON THE FEASIBILITY OF DEVELOPING UNIFORM WATER RECYCLING CRITERIA FOR DIRECT POTABLE REUSE (California State Water Resources Control Board, September 2016):

issuu.com/chriscana/docs/comments_on_dpr_draft_document
(Also attached here below.)

In summary, I would say that are a number of things to improve. In particular, there seems to be no reliable way to eliminate or monitor the chemical pollution which would be present in the sewage that they want to recycle back to people's faucets. They also did not discuss these chemicals in much depth, lumping them under the category of 'Constituents of Emerging Concern (CECs)'. These would include pharmaceuticals, recreational drugs, cleaning products, disinfectants, and disinfection by-products.

With the current drought, California is facing serious water shortages. Hopefully we can help them find more sustainable and healthful solutions than Toilet-to-Tap. It would be excellent for economic incentives to be put in place to encourage individuals, apartment complexes, communities and municipalities to install UDDTs, Closed-loop Flushwater Recycling, and other sustainable technologies.

Are there any Forum members based at universities in California? It would be spectacular to demonstrate, research, fine-tune, and spread the word about these technologies there.

There is still time to comment on this draft.
datainstincts.com/images/pdf/WaterReuse-News-09-08-16.pdf
www.swrcb.ca.gov/press_room/press_releas..._dpr_feasibility.pdf
www.waterboards.ca.gov/drinking_water/ce...pr_public_review.pdf

Best wishes,
Chris Canaday]]>
Greywater, blackwater or wastewater reuse, irrigation Mon, 26 Sep 2016 23:03:45 +0000
Re: California is considering Toilet-to-Tap and we can comment on the process - by: canaday http://forum.susana.org/component/kunena/40-greywater-blackwater-or-wastewater-reuse-irrigation/18984-california-is-considering-toilet-to-tap-and-we-can-comment-on-the-process#19007 http://forum.susana.org/component/kunena/40-greywater-blackwater-or-wastewater-reuse-irrigation/18984-california-is-considering-toilet-to-tap-and-we-can-comment-on-the-process#19007
Feel free to post your comments here in addition to mailing them to the California State Water Resources Board.

As you have seen before, I promote a safer kind of water recycling:
Closed-loop Flushwater Recycling
forum.susana.org/forum/categories/40-gre...ructed-wetland#11393

Who wants to be first? I would be glad to help.

Best wishes,
Chris]]>
Greywater, blackwater or wastewater reuse, irrigation Fri, 16 Sep 2016 02:13:42 +0000