SuSanA - Forum Kunena Site Syndication http://forum.susana.org/ Fri, 19 Sep 2014 21:52:59 +0000 Kunena 1.6 http://forum.susana.org/components/com_kunena/template/default/images/icons/rss.png SuSanA - Forum http://forum.susana.org/ en-gb Request to VOTE for Ecological Sanitation (ECOSAN) program in Nepal - by: Thakur http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/34-urine-diversion-systems-includes-uddt-and-ud-flush-toilet/10233-request-to-vote-for-ecological-sanitation-ecosan-program-in-nepal#10233 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/34-urine-diversion-systems-includes-uddt-and-ud-flush-toilet/10233-request-to-vote-for-ecological-sanitation-ecosan-program-in-nepal#10233
I am the Coordinator of the team which has proposed a concept for promotion of Ecological Sanitation (ECOSAN) in Nepal. The ECOSAN concept is aimed to introduce in rural areas of Nepal through a pilot project. The ECOSAN is a technology about using human urine and composted solid excreta into agriculture. This is intended to help mitigate climate change impacts as well as conserve the resources at household level for enhancing economic productivity of rural farmers. This will also help to prevent contamination of water sources through proper management of human wastes.

As a proponent of the concept, I am now seeking your valuable VOTE to win the proposal.

If you are now interested, please go to the link below and register at the top right corner with your email address and password. Then you can cast your vote in our favor. If the link doesn't work, then you can copy the link in a new browser and then proceed.

climatecolab.org/web/guest/plans/-/plans...00206/planId/1306816

Your VOTE may be the decisive one for winning. This is a global campaign organized by MIT, USA to promote climate change related ideas and projects. Now, ECOSAN is our agenda for Nepal.

The concept of ECOSAN has been recognized by the Government of Nepal through its policy documents and planning framework. Proper application and expansion of ECOSAN is expected to reinforce sustainable sanitation management in the country in the context of total sanitation initiatives led by different level Coordination Committees.

This initiative will, therefore, be helpful to accelerate the on going national sanitation movement in collaboration with National, Regional, District, Municipality and VDC level Coordination Committee institutionalized by the Sanitation and Hygiene Master Plan in Nepal.

Hence, again I would like to you request to click the link below (there are prescribed steps outlined after the link below) and kindly support for our proposal. Please do forward this message to your network of friends and colleagues.

climatecolab.org/web/guest/plans/-/plans...00206/planId/1306816

Below is the process for voting

1. Click to the link
climatecolab.org/web/guest/plans/-/plans...00206/planId/1306816

2. Click - register at the top right corner
3. Fill in the form with your regular email ID and easy password of at least 8 characters and submit
4. Click at Contests at the top row
5. Click at Waste Management - box
6. Click at ECOSAN Plan proposal Nepal
7. Click at Vote for Proposal. Remember the previous number of votes and see the change in number of votes


With best regards,

Thakur Pandit
ECOSAN Team of Nepal
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Kathmandu]]>
Urine diversion systems (includes UDDT and UD flush toilet) Fri, 19 Sep 2014 08:44:57 +0000
Re: Simple urine valves to control odour on waterless urinals or on urine diversion toilets - by: Ababu http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/34-urine-diversion-systems-includes-uddt-and-ud-flush-toilet/6679-simple-urine-valves-to-control-odour-on-waterless-urinals-or-on-urine-diversion-toilets?limit=12&start=24#10195 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/34-urine-diversion-systems-includes-uddt-and-ud-flush-toilet/6679-simple-urine-valves-to-control-odour-on-waterless-urinals-or-on-urine-diversion-toilets?limit=12&start=24#10195
Thank you for your comments and very interesting suggestion including that of cutting plastic collectors from bigger plastic bottles (i wish i knew this before!)You are right on photo 8, i just used it for demonstration otherwise the elastic string was way too tight and the buoyant force required was so high that the water level has to rise too high after which it suddenly opens and allows a gap for water to gush out of the funnel. However, even after allowing the water to pass the balloon closes before all the water is drained.

However, this problem is avoided with a moderate stretching of the elastic band and that can be set quite comfortably by little trial and error. One thing i noticed is to increase the buoyant force with little amount of urine, the bottom opening area of the funnel should be increased as in the bigger metal funnel we manufactured and unlike the plastic funnel that has narrower area. That will allow the balloon to be easily lifted (according to Archimedes principle )with a small amount of urine.The balloon size is also a factor...larger balloons are easier to lift.

The plastic funnel is very good as you said it is corrosion resistant and smooth for effective closing. However, the size we had and we could manage to get, we thought, was a bit small for men to pass their urine on comfortably without splashing the urine around. We looked the entire town for a bigger plastic funnel but that size you see on the photo was what we could manage to get. But that could also be oK for collection from pipes.

We decided to manufacture a bigger size metal funnel ourselves for direct collection of urine on to storage tanks from men. Otherwise as you said the plastic funnel would be very good and the metals can corrode in the manner that you rightly suggested. However, I have read one research work from an American M.Sc. student in Mali where galvanized metal funnel urine collectors operated for a number of years. The galvanized metal is sharp at the top although that could be bent.

The funnels are for the moment directly mounted on to 25 liter plastic storage tanks tied with rubber bands. However, we are thinking of making special urinal collector shapes that may be connected with pipe to the storage tank in the near future. We have a regular training workshop with the community where we have a discussion on all those aspects of urine collection, storage, dilution, application,etc., and have managed to get a number of volunteers who would try it at their homes. We use the experience of urine fertilization elsewhere including the ROSA project in Arbaminch, Ethiopia for which i was the team leader for the period between 2006 and 2008. We are just starting. We meet every week as a regular follow up. We also go around the home to monitor the storage of urine, planting and application of urine.]]>
Urine diversion systems (includes UDDT and UD flush toilet) Tue, 16 Sep 2014 12:26:45 +0000
Re: Simple urine valves to control odour on waterless urinals or on urine diversion toilets - by: canaday http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/34-urine-diversion-systems-includes-uddt-and-ud-flush-toilet/6679-simple-urine-valves-to-control-odour-on-waterless-urinals-or-on-urine-diversion-toilets?limit=12&start=24#10193 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/34-urine-diversion-systems-includes-uddt-and-ud-flush-toilet/6679-simple-urine-valves-to-control-odour-on-waterless-urinals-or-on-urine-diversion-toilets?limit=12&start=24#10193
This is an interesting innovation, especially since balloons are so available and inexpensive (and can be replaced whenever needed).

What is happening in Photo 8? It seems the elastic string is too tight... and we would not ever want so much urine to pool up.

What is wrong with using the inexpensive plastic funnels that are shown? I would be worried about the metallic funnels rusting. Even if it is galvanized, rust could occur at edges, welds and rivets, plus the edge could also be a bit sharp and dangerous. If the factory-made plastic funnels shown are more expensive than I imagine, funnels could be carefully cut from existing plastic bottles, such as the 4-liter HDPE bottles that chlorine and disinfectants get sold in, similar to as shown in these simple, portable urinals that I make:
inodoroseco.blogspot.com/2013/05/urinarios-ecologicos.html

Does the funnel lead to a hose that goes to the bottom of the storage bottle? This can avoid a lot of the odors that would otherwise come back out the funnel. It also seems important to allow the air displaced from storage bottle to vent to the outside, instead of up the funnel.

How are things going with the fertilization of plants with the urine?
How are you applying it?
Do you have special techniques for educating new users?

Best wishes,
Chris Canaday]]>
Urine diversion systems (includes UDDT and UD flush toilet) Tue, 16 Sep 2014 10:18:04 +0000
Re: Simple urine valves to control odour on waterless urinals or on urine diversion toilets - by: Ababu http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/34-urine-diversion-systems-includes-uddt-and-ud-flush-toilet/6679-simple-urine-valves-to-control-odour-on-waterless-urinals-or-on-urine-diversion-toilets?limit=12&start=24#10185 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/34-urine-diversion-systems-includes-uddt-and-ud-flush-toilet/6679-simple-urine-valves-to-control-odour-on-waterless-urinals-or-on-urine-diversion-toilets?limit=12&start=24#10185 Urine diversion systems (includes UDDT and UD flush toilet) Mon, 15 Sep 2014 19:40:25 +0000 Re: Chaise pour toilettes type UDDT au Burundi ou bien au Rwanda (in French) - Chair UDDT kind in Burundi or in Rwanda - by: cecile http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/34-urine-diversion-systems-includes-uddt-and-ud-flush-toilet/10146-chaise-pour-toilettes-type-uddt-au-burundi-ou-bien-au-rwanda-in-french-chair-uddt-kind-in-burundi-or-in-rwanda#10154 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/34-urine-diversion-systems-includes-uddt-and-ud-flush-toilet/10146-chaise-pour-toilettes-type-uddt-au-burundi-ou-bien-au-rwanda-in-french-chair-uddt-kind-in-burundi-or-in-rwanda#10154 Bienvenue sur le forum !
Pouvez vous préciser ce que vous entendez exactement par "chaises". S'agit-il de sièges de toilettes sur lesquels on peut s'assoir ?
Au Burundi il y a le programme sectoriel eau (PROSECO) de la GIZ dans lequel plusieurs types de toilettes ont été testés dont des UDDTs. Je pense que vous pourriez obtenir des informations sur des fabricants / artisans formés à la fabrication de toilettes à double cuvette.
Au Rwanda c'est la coopération belge (CTB) qui a mis en oeuvre un programme ecosan.
Bonne continuation,

Cécile


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google translation

Hello Vessela,
Welcome to the forum!
Can you clarify what exactly you mean by "chairs". Is this toilet seat on which to sit?
In Burundi there is the Water Sector Program (PROSECO) GIZ in which several types of toilets were tested including UDDTs. I think you could get information about manufacturers / craftsmen trained in the manufacture of toilet double bowl.
In Rwanda it is the Belgian Cooperation (BTC) has implemented an ecological sanitation program.
Good luck,]]>
Urine diversion systems (includes UDDT and UD flush toilet) Sun, 14 Sep 2014 07:43:28 +0000
Chaise pour toilettes type UDDT au Burundi ou bien au Rwanda (in French) - Chair UDDT kind in Burundi or in Rwanda - by: VesselaMonta http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/34-urine-diversion-systems-includes-uddt-and-ud-flush-toilet/10146-chaise-pour-toilettes-type-uddt-au-burundi-ou-bien-au-rwanda-in-french-chair-uddt-kind-in-burundi-or-in-rwanda#10146 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/34-urine-diversion-systems-includes-uddt-and-ud-flush-toilet/10146-chaise-pour-toilettes-type-uddt-au-burundi-ou-bien-au-rwanda-in-french-chair-uddt-kind-in-burundi-or-in-rwanda#10146 Est ce que je peux trouver d'information à ce sujet parmi les membres de Susana?
Merci! Bonne soirée à toutes et à tous,
Vessela Monta, IRHA

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Translation by Google Translate:

To complete a project in two schools were Burundi, I am looking for a company that produces chairs for UDD toilets like in Burundi or Rwanda.
Is what I can find information about it from members of Susana?
Thank you! Good evening to you all,
Vessela Monta, IRHA]]>
Urine diversion systems (includes UDDT and UD flush toilet) Fri, 12 Sep 2014 16:44:48 +0000
Re: Looking for a mould for producing UDDT locally in Moldova - by: CWendland http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/34-urine-diversion-systems-includes-uddt-and-ud-flush-toilet/4120-looking-for-a-mould-for-producing-uddt-locally-in-moldova#9873 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/34-urine-diversion-systems-includes-uddt-and-ud-flush-toilet/4120-looking-for-a-mould-for-producing-uddt-locally-in-moldova#9873
just like to clarify that the concrete toilet seats are still beging produced in Kyrgyzstan and in use:
www.flickr.com/photos/gtzecosan/6820279776/

The challenge with these concrete toilets is to use a good paint so that they last long time without troubles. If the paint is not good or not properly applied, it might peel off and the toilet starts to smell.

Best regards
Claudia]]>
Urine diversion systems (includes UDDT and UD flush toilet) Mon, 25 Aug 2014 10:09:53 +0000
Re: Reply: UDDT Squat pan needed for Myanmar Project - by: canaday http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/34-urine-diversion-systems-includes-uddt-and-ud-flush-toilet/7421-uddt-squat-pan-needed-for-myanmar-project#9856 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/34-urine-diversion-systems-includes-uddt-and-ud-flush-toilet/7421-uddt-squat-pan-needed-for-myanmar-project#9856
It is good to know that your project continues, despite complications.

I am surprised that you have not found a Chinese supplier of plastic squat pans yet. Are imports into Myanmar complicated? What is the cost per square meter of the most economical ceramic tiles?

In the mean time, you may like to start demonstrating that UDDTs are a viable option, yourself and with selected community members, by applying this minimalist design:
inodoroseco.blogspot.com/2013/10/a-free-...ist-uddt-part-1.html
(and follow the link to Part 2)

People need to see and smell that UDDTs work and that the final "biosolids" are just beautiful soil, so it is good to get a headstart on this demonstration.

I also recommend this Minimalist UDDT as a test for each family of users, before a fancier, more permanent unit is built for them, to make sure that they really understand the concept and are ready to apply it. This would greatly reduce the rate of misused or disused units ... plus no one would want to be crossed off the list for being messy or not being able to follow instructions. (In the normal case, toilets are given to the users and we just hope that they have understood everything ... and many times UDDTs sit there like white elephants because no one dares to make the first deposit, since this is a new system that they are unfamiliar with.)

I look forward to your update on the project.

Best wishes,
Chris Canaday]]>
Urine diversion systems (includes UDDT and UD flush toilet) Sat, 23 Aug 2014 09:41:46 +0000
Re: Reply: UDDT Squat pan needed for Myanmar Project - by: davidsutton http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/34-urine-diversion-systems-includes-uddt-and-ud-flush-toilet/7421-uddt-squat-pan-needed-for-myanmar-project#9854 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/34-urine-diversion-systems-includes-uddt-and-ud-flush-toilet/7421-uddt-squat-pan-needed-for-myanmar-project#9854 Thanks for your advice and apologies for delay in response, and really appreciate your comments. just these past 6 months have been a nightmare with work and legal issues.
I am pretty sold on obtaining plastic squat pans but still need to find a supplier.
Ill post a update in a few days on my struggles so far.
Once again humble apologies for delayed reply
Kind regards David]]>
Urine diversion systems (includes UDDT and UD flush toilet) Sat, 23 Aug 2014 04:44:45 +0000
Re: Looking for a mould for producing UDDT locally in Moldova - by: davidsutton http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/34-urine-diversion-systems-includes-uddt-and-ud-flush-toilet/4120-looking-for-a-mould-for-producing-uddt-locally-in-moldova#9853 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/34-urine-diversion-systems-includes-uddt-and-ud-flush-toilet/4120-looking-for-a-mould-for-producing-uddt-locally-in-moldova#9853 Thanks for your response and sorry for delay, had a few issues to resolve over past 6 months.
I have decided to pursue the plastic squat pans for Myanmar installations
Still no joy in finding a supplier for these. Currently chasing up a few leads but best prospect is to get a die made for plastic injection and manufacture in the country. I just need to settle on a design.
If you know of any proven squat pan types id appreciate the link
Kind regards and thanks again
David]]>
Urine diversion systems (includes UDDT and UD flush toilet) Sat, 23 Aug 2014 04:12:13 +0000
Re: Simple urine valves to control odour on waterless urinals or on urine diversion toilets - by: sjoerdnienhuys http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/34-urine-diversion-systems-includes-uddt-and-ud-flush-toilet/6679-simple-urine-valves-to-control-odour-on-waterless-urinals-or-on-urine-diversion-toilets?limit=12&start=24#9699 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/34-urine-diversion-systems-includes-uddt-and-ud-flush-toilet/6679-simple-urine-valves-to-control-odour-on-waterless-urinals-or-on-urine-diversion-toilets?limit=12&start=24#9699 Urine diversion systems (includes UDDT and UD flush toilet) Mon, 11 Aug 2014 14:46:54 +0000 Reply: Simple urine valves to control odour on waterless urinals or on urine diversion toilets - by: klamichhane http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/34-urine-diversion-systems-includes-uddt-and-ud-flush-toilet/6679-simple-urine-valves-to-control-odour-on-waterless-urinals-or-on-urine-diversion-toilets?limit=12&start=24#9687 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/34-urine-diversion-systems-includes-uddt-and-ud-flush-toilet/6679-simple-urine-valves-to-control-odour-on-waterless-urinals-or-on-urine-diversion-toilets?limit=12&start=24#9687
I always observe some posts or comments/activities from you on SUSANA forum and am always curious to talk to you but did not succeed to acquire your personal e-mail address.

I am Krishna from Nepal currently living in Honolulu, Hawaii (USA). If you still remember, we got a lot of help from GTZ (ecosan team) and personally from you for the ecosan conferences that I organized in Kathmandu, Nepal, back in 2005. We also met in GTZ Eschborn headquarters during a workshop and I still remember you taking me to the festival in Frankfurt (I guess) in the evening.

Could you please forward me your e-mail address? Thank you

-- Krishna Lamichhane Honolulu, Hawaii, USA

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Urine diversion systems (includes UDDT and UD flush toilet) Sun, 10 Aug 2014 09:27:26 +0000
Re: Simple urine valves to control odour on waterless urinals or on urine diversion toilets - by: Florian http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/34-urine-diversion-systems-includes-uddt-and-ud-flush-toilet/6679-simple-urine-valves-to-control-odour-on-waterless-urinals-or-on-urine-diversion-toilets?limit=12&start=24#9674 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/34-urine-diversion-systems-includes-uddt-and-ud-flush-toilet/6679-simple-urine-valves-to-control-odour-on-waterless-urinals-or-on-urine-diversion-toilets?limit=12&start=24#9674 I add two more photos of the mentionned test urinal in our office. I also checked for the slope of urine pipes, we use 2.5 %. Urine pipes are also ventilated (connected to the vent pipes ventilating fecal collection chambers), this hasn't been done previously.
Best regards,
Florian]]>
Urine diversion systems (includes UDDT and UD flush toilet) Fri, 08 Aug 2014 11:01:39 +0000
Re: Simple urine valves to control odour on waterless urinals or on urine diversion toilets - by: KaiMikkel http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/34-urine-diversion-systems-includes-uddt-and-ud-flush-toilet/6679-simple-urine-valves-to-control-odour-on-waterless-urinals-or-on-urine-diversion-toilets?limit=12&start=24#9639 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/34-urine-diversion-systems-includes-uddt-and-ud-flush-toilet/6679-simple-urine-valves-to-control-odour-on-waterless-urinals-or-on-urine-diversion-toilets?limit=12&start=24#9639
Thanks! ]]>
Urine diversion systems (includes UDDT and UD flush toilet) Thu, 07 Aug 2014 02:38:21 +0000
Re: Simple urine valves to control odour on waterless urinals or on urine diversion toilets - by: noe-hays http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/34-urine-diversion-systems-includes-uddt-and-ud-flush-toilet/6679-simple-urine-valves-to-control-odour-on-waterless-urinals-or-on-urine-diversion-toilets?limit=12&start=24#9618 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/34-urine-diversion-systems-includes-uddt-and-ud-flush-toilet/6679-simple-urine-valves-to-control-odour-on-waterless-urinals-or-on-urine-diversion-toilets?limit=12&start=24#9618
--Abe]]>
Urine diversion systems (includes UDDT and UD flush toilet) Wed, 06 Aug 2014 03:45:38 +0000