In which countries of the world are the forum users located?
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In which countries of the world are the forum users located? 24 Aug 2014 08:03 #9860

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If a new potential user, before joining this forum, would like to know whether this forum has worldwide users/members, and would like to see the distribution of users on (a) regional basis – Africa, South Asia, Middle East; and (b) on country basis; what is the easy navigable way for the new user to do it?

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Re: How can a user find out about the regional distribution of other forum users? 27 Aug 2014 10:57 #9894

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Dear Mr. Mughal,

Thank you for your query. The map below gives an overview on the country-wise distribution of our forum users.

map_susana.png


The secretariat along with Elisabeth will work on how we could proceed with your suggestion.

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Re: How can a user find out about the regional distribution of other forum users? 27 Aug 2014 12:26 #9896

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Would it be possible to re-do that map and exclude the US and Germany for a better resolution of the other countries? The high US figures are an data-artifact most likely anyways (automated bots and many non-clearly defined IPs get counted as US based) and Germany is a SuSanA artifact
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Re: How can a user find out about the regional distribution of other forum users? 27 Aug 2014 19:29 #9910

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Dear Kris,

I am with you on this one. In the background, we (Trevor and I) are currently discussing how to improve on this. I think we should not use Google Analytics for this at all but rather go by the member database because each member states his or her country when they register for SuSanA. So we have all that information, it is just a matter of how to display it and whether or not to make it available for viewing. I think it would be good to make it available on the forum statistics page but only for people who have logged into the page (i.e. for registered users).

It could be added to these other statistical lists here on the forum:
forum.susana.org/forum/statistics

When I recently joined the Dgroup HIFA (Health Care Information for All) - dgroups.org/hifa2015/members/country/in - the first thing I went to is their member list. Because I was curious to find out more about the 7500 people in that Dgroup. E.g. who else is there from Germany whom I might know?

They have their members displayed like this so you can easily find other members in your country:

DgroupsMembers.png


I think that's pretty nifty.

Members who do not want to reveal their country of residence could simply edit their member profile accordingly here on the left of the front page where they can log in: susana.org/en/).

What do you think about this plan?

And I can tell you already know that these seem the be the top countries where our members come from:

  • USA
  • India
  • Germany
  • UK
  • Kenya
  • South Africa
  • Ghana
  • Nigeria


I don't think the high member figures in Germany are a SuSanA-artefact as the SuSanA secretariat plus me only equates to a handful of people. Remember these are not page click rates but simply the countries that people state when they register for SuSanA. I just think the interest in sanitation (developing countries or closer to home) is quite high in Germany, as are all topics related to environmental protection in Germany (e.g. without looking up any figures I think it's the country with the highest rate of recycling of solid waste).

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Re: How can a user find out about the regional distribution of other forum users? 29 Aug 2014 22:50 #9933

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Thanks to F.H. for question, Elisabeth for trying to answer, and J.K.for possible explanation of high figure for US. A Dgroup list would be helpful.

Re: How can a user find out about the regional distribution of other forum users? 25 Sep 2014 11:46 #10302

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I am writing this post today based on the question by Pete in this thread about the standard powerpoint files about SuSanA:
forum.susana.org/forum/categories/10-by-...explain-susana#10298

His question was:
I looked for some of the maps displaying the network on the Susana site and couldn’t find them. Are they available there, and if not, what about adding them into the ‘about’ or ‘partners’ sections?


My answer (and this is a continuation of the posts above):

We are currently working on this map and a list by country in the background and hopefully in the next week or so, Steffen Eisser (our IT guy) will be able to put it online for everyone to see, and it should always be up to date. It might go on the forum page under statistics (forum.susana.org/forum/statistics) or on the Susana website or both (this hasn't been decided yet).

To give everyone a sneak preview of this map and country list, please see here:

Mapofmembers.png


I got the idea of doing a member list by country from the HIFA2015 Dgroups where they have it visible as soon as you log in (as I mentioned before). They have actually gone a step further and displayed also the names of people in those countries, but we felt this is perhaps taking it a bit too far in terms of data protection issues (even if you have to log in first in order to see the names).

The upshot would be that any member could easily find other members in his or her country. But perhaps some people don't want others to know in which country they reside?

By the way the countries for the maps and lists are not taken by Google Analytics but are extracted from our member database, i.e. they are those countries that people state when they register. (I can't remember off-hand if a user can also leave the country field blank?)

Anyway, I quite like this map and the country list and find it informative.

My suggestion to Steffen was to make the order of countries in alphabetical order (rather than ordered by most members), or to make both orders available.

Stay tuned.
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Re: How can a user find out about the regional distribution of other forum users? 25 Sep 2014 12:00 #10303

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Two short comments on this:
- It should be relatively easy to produce a google map with clickable dots of the locations of member organisations if the data is available in a table (which you have in the Susana member database).
- Some forums software have a simple function for member maps, members can add their location to the profile and it is then shown on a map
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Re: How can a user find out about the regional distribution of other forum users? 25 Sep 2014 12:32 #10305

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About your first point, do you mean partners or members? It's our common confusion problem in SuSanA... Partners = partner organisation (www.susana.org/en/partner, currently about 200 of them), whereas member = individual people (about 4000 of them). So when you say "member organisation" then I don't know what you mean?

To your second point, do you have an example forum at hand where this has been implemented? Perhaps with the new version of Kunena (if we make that switch one day) it will also become possible...
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Re: Map showing the regional distribution of other forum users 08 Oct 2014 16:30 #10422

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Dear Forum Users,

We are excited to announce that the forum users map is ready. Now, users can get an overview of the number of forum users (equals SuSanA members) from every country.

The image can be viewed in the link below:

forum.susana.org/forum/statistics?task=map

Please note that a small pop-up with the number of users appears for every country when one places the mouse over the desired country.

The top 10 countries with the most number of forum users (SuSanA members) are in descending order (but each with more than 100 members): United States, India, Germany, United Kingdom, Kenya, South Africa, Netherlands, Bangladesh, Uganda, Nigeria.

activitymap.png


On the same page there is also a member list which you can order by alphabetical order or by number of members in a country. I have copied here the screenshot of countries in alphabetical order:

Statisticscountries.png


Happy viewing and analysing of the data!

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Re: Map showing the regional distribution of other forum users 08 Oct 2014 16:46 #10423

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Interesting! Nice work!

Two comments:
- the map looks a bit pale, probably stronger colors also for the countries with less members would make it look better...
- The list of countries would better be sorted by columns, not rows
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Re: Map showing the regional distribution of other forum users 09 Oct 2014 11:16 #10430

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Dear Florian,
Thank you for your valuable feedback!

I asked Steffen (our IT developer) and here is what he answered:

I already played with the colors of the map and I would prefer to use the forum colors (green)! But the green is too bright and even if you use red the differences are too small. Only black to white will have more gradations ...

The problem is that you have only few countries with high rates and than 90% of the countries have to use the last 25% of gradations .... see screenshot


maps.jpg



The list of countries I ordered in rows because for ordering by numbers it was confusing in columns , maybe if we put the numbers bold in front it makes sense ... for the list by name I agree it would be better ... but we have to use same ordering for both lists!


What do you reckon? What would be your preference?
Any further feedback from anyone?

Edit: Further feedback by Florian by e-mail:

So, for the colors, I meant more the graduation, independent on the color used. There are 3 bold countries and the rest is rather pale. Perhaps the graduation could be changed, with the countries with lower numbers getting also more bold colors…

For the sorting, I think with 4 columns and many rows, the intuitive way is to browse per columns, not per row (both for sorting by alphabet or by numbers). With the row sorting, it’s difficult to find a country…



Response by Steffen:

the gradients cannot be changed manually via Google Map Chart or only with high programming effort ... and what happens if you got more members in the mid range, every time you have to adjust it again ... so an automaticay algorithm should be used!

I said is no problem to sort the lists in columns but it would take a bit of time...
one or two colums will not look well and you wouldn't save much time ...


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Re: Map showing the regional distribution of other forum users 09 Oct 2014 17:07 #10434

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Florian, Elisabeth,

I appreciate all the attention put into little things that can help make the Forum more user friendly. But a big country like the US having over 400 Forum users doesn't tell us much. Overall awareness about sustainable sanitation is growing here but is still very low and university-based Forum members come from all over.

If you take into account national populations South Africa, Canada, and Switzerland are impressive. If you add population density - which along with environmental conditions affects the need for and ease/difficulty of action - Bangladesh is really impressive.

I wouldn't worry too much about the colors for this particular set of indicators.

Carol


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