SuSanA - Forum Kunena Site Syndication http://forum.susana.org/ Sun, 24 May 2015 05:03:10 +0000 Kunena 1.6 http://forum.susana.org/components/com_kunena/template/default/images/icons/rss.png SuSanA - Forum http://forum.susana.org/ en-gb Re: New logo for the SuSanA discussion forum? - by: KaiMikkel http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/10-general-announcements-from-or-about-susana/13124-new-logo-for-the-susana-discussion-forum-final-version-may-2015?limit=12&start=12#13407 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/10-general-announcements-from-or-about-susana/13124-new-logo-for-the-susana-discussion-forum-final-version-may-2015?limit=12&start=12#13407 General announcements from or about SuSanA Fri, 22 May 2015 00:30:17 +0000 New "partner of SuSanA" logo? Ideas please - by: muench http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/10-general-announcements-from-or-about-susana/13406-new-qpartner-of-susanaq-logo-ideas-please#13406 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/10-general-announcements-from-or-about-susana/13406-new-qpartner-of-susanaq-logo-ideas-please#13406



Carol has suggested:

Have you considered redesigning the SuSanA partner logo used on partner websites? It could be more attractive. The word Partner could be placed vertically in the same spot as "Forum". Globe could be replaced with another simple image or the right side could be blue rather than green.


Would a vertical text saying "Partner of" in the same location where it says "Forum" in the new forum logo work?
Or are there other ideas?

And would we be able to convince all partners to replace the logo on their website? It's been a tough challenge to convince all partners to display it on their website at all... It's become mandatory for new partners about two years ago, but those who joined before then don't all have it on their websites. (reminder to anyone who reads this and is representing a SuSanA partner organisation: quickly check on your website if you are displaying the partner of SuSanA logo somewhere )

Do others agree with Carol that a modernisation of this logo is called for? (I personally agree with her suggestion, but have no bright ideas on how to do it)]]>
General announcements from or about SuSanA Thu, 21 May 2015 23:18:56 +0000
Re: New logo for the SuSanA discussion forum - final version (May 2015) - by: Carol McCreary http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/10-general-announcements-from-or-about-susana/13124-new-logo-for-the-susana-discussion-forum-final-version-may-2015?limit=12&start=12#13405 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/10-general-announcements-from-or-about-susana/13124-new-logo-for-the-susana-discussion-forum-final-version-may-2015?limit=12&start=12#13405
Straight line is nice. And if it carries the idea of taking off, so much the better.

Now, how about a new partner logo?


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Note by moderator: I have started a new thread for the "new partner of SuSanA logo" discussion here: forum.susana.org/forum/categories/10-gen...aq-logo-ideas-please
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General announcements from or about SuSanA Thu, 21 May 2015 20:00:09 +0000
Re: New logo for the SuSanA discussion forum? - by: muench http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/10-general-announcements-from-or-about-susana/13124-new-logo-for-the-susana-discussion-forum-final-version-may-2015?limit=12&start=12#13404 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/10-general-announcements-from-or-about-susana/13124-new-logo-for-the-susana-discussion-forum-final-version-may-2015?limit=12&start=12#13404 Thanks for the feedback.

For me it reminds me of our SuSanA membership growth line (forum.susana.org/forum/statistics), always going up in a straight line. Or, more importantly of the number of people who are served with sustainable sanitation systems going up and up and up.
It also reminds me of the edge of a page, or turning a page. I also think it's smart how it traces the right edge of the words "sustainable", "sanitation", "alliance".]]>
General announcements from or about SuSanA Thu, 21 May 2015 19:18:15 +0000
Re: New logo for the SuSanA discussion forum? - by: F H Mughal http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/10-general-announcements-from-or-about-susana/13124-new-logo-for-the-susana-discussion-forum-final-version-may-2015?limit=12&start=12#13403 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/10-general-announcements-from-or-about-susana/13124-new-logo-for-the-susana-discussion-forum-final-version-may-2015?limit=12&start=12#13403
(The straight line instead of the curved line gives it better clarity, I think)

I'm sorry, but to me, it looks more like what we see on the aircraft's tail.


F H Mughal]]>
General announcements from or about SuSanA Thu, 21 May 2015 17:10:15 +0000
Re: New logo for the SuSanA discussion forum? - by: kengelly http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/10-general-announcements-from-or-about-susana/13124-new-logo-for-the-susana-discussion-forum-final-version-may-2015?limit=12&start=12#13398 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/10-general-announcements-from-or-about-susana/13124-new-logo-for-the-susana-discussion-forum-final-version-may-2015?limit=12&start=12#13398 General announcements from or about SuSanA Thu, 21 May 2015 14:04:52 +0000 Re: New logo for the SuSanA discussion forum? - by: muench http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/10-general-announcements-from-or-about-susana/13124-new-logo-for-the-susana-discussion-forum-final-version-may-2015?limit=12&start=12#13395 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/10-general-announcements-from-or-about-susana/13124-new-logo-for-the-susana-discussion-forum-final-version-may-2015?limit=12&start=12#13395
As you can see at the top left of this page, we have settled for a "final" version for now.

I have also attached the file in case you want to use the new forum logo for your own promotional activities about the forum (like in powerpoint presentations).

And because it is so nice, here it is one more time:



Our thinking behind this logo:
  • We have reduced the size of the globe to make it less prominent
  • We have optimised the space so that the text of sustainable sanitation alliance and the dimensions are as close as possible to the normal SuSanA logo
  • The straight line instead of the curved line gives it better clarity, I think

We had to bring the process to an end eventually, and that is now. So this is for now the final version.

If someone in future has bright ideas for improvements, or even access to a design office who might do a new design for free or at low cost, just let me or the secretariat know (or put it into this thread).

Mughal: we didn't follow your suggestion of highlighting developing countries in the globe, because firstly, there are no countries shown on that globe and secondly, SuSanA is for everyone in all countries. Whilst the lack of sanitation is most dire in many developing countries, we also have issues of sustainability in industrialised countries, like pharmaceutical residues in drinking water, antibiotics resistance, peak phosphorus, use of urine in agriculture / in organic farming, legislation to allow composting toilets in the U.S. - to name but a few. So it would be wrong to think that SuSanA is only there for developing countries issues.

Regards,
Elisabeth]]>
General announcements from or about SuSanA Thu, 21 May 2015 10:53:58 +0000
Re: When is SuSanA going to move to open access for its publications? - by: Carol McCreary http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/10-general-announcements-from-or-about-susana/12204-when-is-susana-going-to-move-to-open-access-for-its-publications?limit=12&start=12#13380 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/10-general-announcements-from-or-about-susana/12204-when-is-susana-going-to-move-to-open-access-for-its-publications?limit=12&start=12#13380
PHLUSH has long used this CC 3.0 Attribution Share-Alike.

The statement that seecon uses is very clear and strong. ://www.sswm.info/content/copyright-and-disclaimer-0 We should consider adopting it. (Hmmm. How would we cite that?)

We continue to emphasize that any materials we recommend are evidence-based or peer reviewed. We've always had irresponsible dry toilet building here in the US and this is something groups like our are pushing back against. Finding ways to cite our sources and showing others how to do it is essential.

Putting at least short form citations on every slide of a presentation makes sense. We'll recommend this as slide shows often take on a life of their own and circulate as pdfs. Similarly, photos, graphics and drawings get lifted by well-meaning people. I'd like ideas on ways to acknowledge photographers and artists within the image.]]>
General announcements from or about SuSanA Wed, 20 May 2015 13:17:13 +0000
Re: When is SuSanA going to move to open access for its publications? - by: dorothee.spuhler http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/10-general-announcements-from-or-about-susana/12204-when-is-susana-going-to-move-to-open-access-for-its-publications?limit=12&start=12#13327 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/10-general-announcements-from-or-about-susana/12204-when-is-susana-going-to-move-to-open-access-for-its-publications?limit=12&start=12#13327 www.sswm.info/content/copyright-and-disclaimer-0).
Based on my experience, there are two things to keep in mind in order to use this concept effectively:

* Make it easy for user to cite you (otherwise they won't do it ….) and remind users of adding citations when you see appearing your pictures and your content without an reference (this is particular important for information on technical issues where information quality insurance plays a role) - see e.g. www.sswm.info/content/copyright-and-disclaimer-0 (we realised that this is actually not such a effective way, bat a credits footer on every webpage is a minimal effort to undertake compulsory – to my opinion)

* Use a format, that is convenient for 1:1 reuse (in order to avoid alteration of the copied information…) such as PPTs, World Files, JPGs or Excel sheets and make sure that some informations on the authorship are contained in the metadata of the file (i.e. Filename)


Cheers, Dorothee]]>
General announcements from or about SuSanA Wed, 13 May 2015 12:22:35 +0000
Re: When is SuSanA going to move to open access for its publications? - by: muench http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/10-general-announcements-from-or-about-susana/12204-when-is-susana-going-to-move-to-open-access-for-its-publications?limit=12&start=12#13322 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/10-general-announcements-from-or-about-susana/12204-when-is-susana-going-to-move-to-open-access-for-its-publications?limit=12&start=12#13322
If you don't know who is in the SuSanA core group please see here:
www.susana.org/en/about/governance-structure/susana-core-group

So, please stayed tuned.

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Dear core group colleagues,

In our last core group meeting Elisabeth had made the proposal that SuSanA should move to an open access licence for its future (and past) publications. She promised to write a short memo so that you could think about this issue.

Please note that this memo is only about the publications by SuSanA, not about publications that you, as a SuSanA member might put out, like a journal article.
As a reminder: the SuSanA publications so far include:

Overview of the Memo’s contents below
1. What is the difference between “free access” and “open access”?
2. What does the open access licence type allow people to do?
3. What is the advantage of “open access” for SuSanA publications?
4. What is the current licence term of SuSanA publications?
5. What would be the proposed new licence statement?
6. Should we use CC BY or CC BY SA as a licence type?
7. What link could we provide to explain our chosen licence type?
8. Who else has moved to open access?
9. Is it possible to make an existing publication open access, i.e. in retrospect?
10. What are added benefits for SuSanA?
11. What would be our next steps?
12. What do we need from you?

We would like from you an endorsement of this proposal. If by the 29 May 2015 we have a response from you with a “yes” or no answer we take this as an endorsement. Otherwise please write back before 29 May 2015 with the reason you object or raising your concerns.

If you have questions or concerns please e-mail Elisabeth ( This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it ) or alternatively participate in the open discussion by sending an e-mail to This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it and your e-mail will then be moved to this thread where open access is already being discussed (i.e. this present one).

Kind regards,
Trevor and Elisabeth

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The memo

1. What is the difference between “free access” and “open access”?

The SuSanA publications are currently available as “free access” but not as open access. This means that anyone can download them from the internet, but they cannot easily build on them and they cannot use them for commercial purposes – such as courses where people pay a fee to attend. The difference between free access and open access is also explained here:
forum.susana.org/forum/categories/166-de...licies-cc-by-licence

2. What does the open access licence type allow people to do?

The proposed new open access licence type that we could use is called CC-BY SA which means (www.creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/):
You are free to:
Share — copy and redistribute the material in any medium or format
Adapt — remix, transform, and build upon the material for any purpose, even commercially.

3. What is the advantage of “open access” for SuSanA publications?

  • People could more easily utilise and adapt what they read in our publications in their own work.
  • I (Elisabeth) first came across this issue through my work on Wikipedia pages. To use something in Wikipedia it is most helpful if it’s open access, in which case one can directly copy and paste (in reality, copying and pasting does not always work because the language has to be simplified for Wikipedia anyhow). Don’t worry, the source would always be acknowledged – in fact Wikipedia is very big on providing citations!
  • Another example is the use in teaching and courses, where lecturers could more easily incorporate information that they find in our documents – this includes courses where people have to pay a fee to attend, i.e. potentially “commercial” activities
  • It would generally mean that the content that we produce is more widely used, adapted and built upon.


4. What is the current licence term of SuSanA publications?

So far, the SuSanA publications are under a different kind of licence (at the time when this was set up, people were not yet familiar with the "open access" concept).On all SuSanA publications and in the Imprint of the SuSanA website it says (I have highlighted in red the parts that indicate that our current copyright statement is not open access):

© Sustainable Sanitation Alliance
All SuSanA materials are freely available following the open-source concept for capacity development and non-profit use, so long as proper acknowledgement of the source is made when used. Users should always give credit in citations to the original author, source and copyright holder.

The second sentence is in fact superfluous as it's just a repeat of the first sentence.

5. What would be the proposed new licence statement?

The proposed new licence statement at the end of each SuSanA document (and on the imprint of the website) would be:

All SuSanA materials are available under the open access licence CC-BY SA. Proper acknowledgement of the source should always be made when used.


6. Should we use CC BY or CC BY SA as a licence type?

James Heilman (Wikipedia administrator) advised that “You can use either CC BY or CC BY SA. I like the later one as it requires those who reuse your materials to also keep what they produce open access. CC BY however is what much of the publishing world uses.”

7. What link could we provide to explain our chosen licence type?

We could put this hyperlink behind the CC-BY SA):

www.creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/

Which means:
You are free to:
Share — copy and redistribute the material in any medium or format
Adapt — remix, transform, and build upon the material for any purpose, even commercially.


8. Who else has moved to open access?

Lots of organisations (especially many journals in the medical field in the US and UK) have moved to open access, but let me just give you two examples from the sanitation field:
ADB: www.adb.org/news/adb-adopts-open-access-...development-research
Gates Foundation: www.gatesfoundation.org/How-We-Work/Gene...n/Open-Access-Policy

9. Is it possible to make an existing publication open access, i.e. in retrospect?

Yes, ADB has for example done it with theirs:

“The open access website was launched today with more than 2,000 publications from ADB’s current publications and archive. It will eventually include the complete back catalog of ADB research—well over 5,000 publications—dating back to 1966, the year ADB was established.”(Excerpt from their website: www.adb.org/news/adb-adopts-open-access-...development-research)

James Heilman (Wikipedia administrator) also advised:
“We at Wikipedia years ago changed the license we use from GDFL to CC BY SA. We had a very large vote and with greater than 66% the license for all the text was changed. I am happy to put Elisabeth in touch with a lawyer at the "Creative Commons" if your group is wanting further guidance.”

10. What are added benefits for SuSanA?

We could make a nice announcement on all the available channels (Sanitation Updates, Twitter, etc.) and therefore generate renewed interest in existing SuSanA publications and demonstrate the open-ness and modern-ness of SuSanA. It could also mean that SuSanA, our work, ideas and vision will get better known – also outside of the inner circle of sanitation experts (e.g. via the work with Wikipedia).

11. What would be our next steps?

If a general agreement is reached in the core group, then we would inform all the authors of the existing factsheets and case studies of this intention to make these documents open access. We could give them 2-3 weeks to object. If they don’t object, then the licence statement on those documents will simply be changed to make them open access. If needed, images that are included in the documents can be treated separately from text. But most of the images are already available under open access licence in our flickr database. The documents with their new licence clause would then be replaced in the SuSanA library.

12. What do we need from you?

We would like from you an endorsement of this proposal. If by the 29 May 2015 we have a response from you with a “yes” or no answer we take this as an endorsement. Otherwise please write back before 29 May 2015 with the reason you object or raising your concerns.]]>
General announcements from or about SuSanA Wed, 13 May 2015 10:18:39 +0000
Re: 19th SuSanA Meeting in Dakar, Sénégal, 22nd - 23rd May 2015 - by: cecile http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/10-general-announcements-from-or-about-susana/13235-19th-susana-meeting-in-dakar-senegal-22nd-23rd-may-2015#13320 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/10-general-announcements-from-or-about-susana/13235-19th-susana-meeting-in-dakar-senegal-22nd-23rd-may-2015#13320
La 19ème rencontre de SuSanA se tiendra à Dakar au Sénégal les 22 et 23 may 2015. En plus des présentations, des réunions de plusieurs groupes de travail et du cadre propice au réseautage professionel, une exposition sera organisée pour la première fois, permettant aux partenaires de SuSanA de présenter leurs projets.

Vous trouverez plus de détails en français ici : informations sur la 19ème rencontre



Nous nous réjouissons de vous y retrouver bientôt.]]>
General announcements from or about SuSanA Wed, 13 May 2015 07:56:51 +0000
Re: New logo for the SuSanA discussion forum? - by: KaiMikkel http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/10-general-announcements-from-or-about-susana/13124-new-logo-for-the-susana-discussion-forum-final-version-may-2015?limit=12&start=12#13285 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/10-general-announcements-from-or-about-susana/13124-new-logo-for-the-susana-discussion-forum-final-version-may-2015?limit=12&start=12#13285 ]]> General announcements from or about SuSanA Sun, 10 May 2015 20:43:05 +0000 Re: New logo for the SuSanA discussion forum? - by: F H Mughal http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/10-general-announcements-from-or-about-susana/13124-new-logo-for-the-susana-discussion-forum-final-version-may-2015?limit=12&start=12#13267 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/10-general-announcements-from-or-about-susana/13124-new-logo-for-the-susana-discussion-forum-final-version-may-2015?limit=12&start=12#13267
As you must have noticed, sanitation problems occur in developing countries (DCs), especially the poor DCs. Almost 100 per cent posts indicating sanitation problems pertain to DCs.

So, you need to reflect DCs; or, if want to keep globe, then highlight DCs in the globe.

F H Mughal]]>
General announcements from or about SuSanA Sun, 10 May 2015 05:46:33 +0000
19th SuSanA Meeting in Dakar, Sénégal, 22nd - 23rd May 2015 - by: secretariat http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/10-general-announcements-from-or-about-susana/13235-19th-susana-meeting-in-dakar-senegal-22nd-23rd-may-2015#13235 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/10-general-announcements-from-or-about-susana/13235-19th-susana-meeting-in-dakar-senegal-22nd-23rd-may-2015#13235
The 19th SuSanA Meeting will take place in Dakar, Sénégal, starting on 22nd May 2015. Besides presentations, working group meetings and networking opportunities, for the first time an open exhibition is planned, where SuSanA partners can present themselves and their projects.
For further details, please find the draft Agenda under the following links:
Event Information
Draft Agenda
We are looking forward to meet you there.

Kind regards,
Jona, on behalf of the SuSanA secretariat]]>
General announcements from or about SuSanA Thu, 07 May 2015 11:34:26 +0000
Re: New logo for the SuSanA discussion forum? - by: sreuter http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/10-general-announcements-from-or-about-susana/13124-new-logo-for-the-susana-discussion-forum-final-version-may-2015?limit=12&start=12#13228 http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/10-general-announcements-from-or-about-susana/13124-new-logo-for-the-susana-discussion-forum-final-version-may-2015?limit=12&start=12#13228 General announcements from or about SuSanA Wed, 06 May 2015 18:34:44 +0000