Vermi-Trickling Filters (or vermifilters) for Sewage Treatment (looking for help to design)
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Re: Vermi-Trickling Filters for Sewage Treatment (looking for help to design) 12 Mar 2017 09:24 #20816

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Hi Dean!
I have no practical experiece yet with building aerated constructes wetlands. The inforamtion on the forum is here
forum.susana.org/component/kunena/36-con...gineered-wetlands-ew

I believe that one possibility is to aerate is through perforated pipes inserted directly in the substrate or have the the air supply from underneath the supporting structure like it done in industrial trickling filters. If we have the air cavity between the walls it would also help
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Or it can be a cobination with the perforated pipes protruding through support layes vertically.
As far as I know pressurized air can be produced directly by windmils or hydropower pumps bypassing electricity.

I think in cold climate design active aeration could be a must since insulation also means restricted air flow from outside.
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Re: Vermi-Trickling Filters for Sewage Treatment (looking for help to design) 14 Mar 2017 10:38 #20842

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Hi Bogdan,

I'm not in a cold climate but was thinking that a well insulated reactor would only require ventilation when it warms up. Very little biological activity would happen say below 6 degrees C so the ventilation system could be set up to switch on once above that temperature. This could be passive, such as convection (a black pipe that warms with the sun and draws air into the reactor), or a small solar panel and fan that runs during the daytime? In small systems I don't think air pipes through the media would be necessary, especially if the media basket has air flow under and around the sides and the media course. However, anything that improves the efficiency of the system is good!

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Re: Vermi-Trickling Filters for Sewage Treatment (looking for help to design) 14 Mar 2017 12:50 #20845

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Hi Dean!

Thanks for the useful input! Yes it would be really intresting for me to build this one in the cold conditions where sometimes I work with -20 C outside for prolonged time during winter. There is not much sun to take into account for the passive ventilation.
Does this process release considerable heat? Probably one can expect more heat from black water vermifilter than from a grey one.
What do we have here a compost pile with a bit of worms or rather worm nest eating up feces with a bit of compost?

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Re: Vermi-Trickling Filters for Sewage Treatment (looking for help to design) 16 Mar 2017 10:15 #20872

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Hi Bogdan,
No I don't believe the process releases much heat. Certainly oxidation means generation of heat, but I don't think the wastewater would increase much in temperature during the process because of flow and volumes involved. Although the wastewater influent has a very high biological oxygen demand (BOD), which directly results from dissolved and suspended organics, if actually quantified as organic matter content, this is not much compared with the solids pile. The issue is that the amount of oxygen that water can contain or "dissolve" is very little compared with what is in air. This means that the oxygen needs to be replenished several times in wastewater for aerobic decomposition to be completed, if only taking place in the water. The biological process is that the bacteria degrade the organics in the wastewater and consume oxygen. What little oxygen is dissolved in the water is quickly depleted, rapidly leading to anaerobic conditions unless aeration takes place. I've tried to explain this here. Filtering solids out and providing air to the decomposing bacteria is quite different than decomposition taking place within the water... a big advantage with vermifiltration over traditional wastewater treatment.

However, if the water is already cold the process will inevitably be slow (even slower under anaerobic conditions). This means a capacity issue if the environment is cold for long periods.

By providing ventilated media and wastewater flow with lots of "food" (organics), bacterial slime builds up on the media and consumes the dissolved and suspended organics. I favour the recirculating vermifilter because oxygen will dissolve into the wastewater with each pass. I just don't think that the quantity of organics in the filtered wastewater will be sufficient to generate much heat. The solids pile on the surface of the primary treatment vermifilter would produce some heat but this does not decay rapidly like a compost heap. A normal compost heap decomposes very rapidly from the inside out because there is plenty of air inside it and the heat generated increases the rate of decomposition. The "wet" compost heap on top of the primary treatment vermifilter doesn't have air inside it, it relies on the worms to introduce air from the outside (especially underneath) and so the process is slower. It would generate some heat but maybe not as much as you require to increase rate of decomposition in cold conditions.

Okay, so insulation would be required to ensure the worms don't freeze. However, ventilation shouldn't be required when conditions are cold because there is so little biological activity taking place anyway and the oxygen wouldn't get depleted in the reactor. You could introduce a heat source to generate the required biological activity and treatment level, but I'm thinking you could automate ventilation to open when the sun does shine or when temperature does get above say 5 degrees, you just need capacity because when its cold not much will be happening.

Just some ideas, it doesn't often get below zero degrees C here!
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Re: Vermi-Trickling Filters for Sewage Treatment (looking for help to design) 16 Mar 2017 22:24 #20897

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Thanks again Dean!
This all is very very interesting.

How about oils and grease? Do they pose threat for the vermifilter and better removed by grease trap before it? I am asking this since in compost pile grease is quite ok and sometimes used deliberately to heat it up.



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Re: Vermi-Trickling Filters for Sewage Treatment (looking for help to design) 16 Mar 2017 22:34 #20898

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Good question Bogdan! I wondered about this myself so tested it. I tipped 20 litres of solid rancid fat from a grease trap into my domestic primary treatment vermifilter to see what would happen. It was all digested and gone in about two months. This surprised me because I had heard that worms don't like grease and fat... Not true! Again just not sure how much heat this would generate.

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Re: Vermi-Trickling Filters for Sewage Treatment (looking for help to design) 16 Mar 2017 22:48 #20899

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Hi Dean!

This is great experiment! Means it is quite a robust system.
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Re: Vermi-Trickling Filters for Sewage Treatment (looking for help to design) 02 Apr 2017 18:14 #21090

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Hi Dean!

We've been discussing with a colleague the vermifilter issue recently in terms of limitations of this approach and came to conclusion that basically it is fantastic and everything can be solved with cold temperature but the worst thing is when somebody will flush down something nasty that kills or harms the worms. The cleansers or whatever those neat householders use in the bathroom to make it look tidy and fresh. Did you experiment also with that stuff?

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Re: Vermi-Trickling Filters for Sewage Treatment (looking for help to design) 04 Apr 2017 11:12 #21102

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Dear all,

I've come across this version of an artificial wetland/vermi treatment bed developed by the Indian Institute of Technology Bombay. The scientist's contact information is given in the presentation. He has used it at scale at many locations. The input is municipal sewage and output is claimed as better than 5 mg/l. Hope this helps the discussion.

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Re: Vermi-Trickling Filters for Sewage Treatment (looking for help to design) 04 Apr 2017 20:24 #21111

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Hi,

this solution sounds interesting can you please share more details about it

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Re: Vermi-Trickling Filters for Sewage Treatment (looking for help to design) 05 Apr 2017 01:36 #21113

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Dear Zlatko,

I am uploading another presentation on this by its developer. You can contact him directly also: This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it . His name is H S Shankar.
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Re: Vermi-Trickling Filters for Sewage Treatment (looking for help to design) 05 Apr 2017 18:21 #21121

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Thanks a lot.

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